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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying beast has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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welcome fade to black

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bespoke radio

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for

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how you doing

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2021.

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284 days into the new year

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only 81 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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this is fade to block for kjcr of the

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game changer network i'm your host jimmy

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racehobbs tonight

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very special guest

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paul heineck is here

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i cannot

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till the bottom of the hour paul is here

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to discuss the us government's

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is this the new blue book

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all that and much more tonight paul

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heineck at the bottom of the hour

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tomorrow night

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isaac arthur

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the physics

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all right lisa reed

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man lisa lisa lisa

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hanging out and you know i've known lisa

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uh since we were kids i'm watching her

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lisa because this is the thing as long

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yeah that's about right well anyway

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is here with us tomorrow night physics

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of a tic tac and thursday is another

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fader night

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with open lines all night long all right

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now our guest tonight paul heineck

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at the star works usa ufos all uh all

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the above and beyond conference

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it's going down this november 12th

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through the 14th in laughlin nevada all

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of this is at the aquarius hotel and

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tickets and info everything that you

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need hotel all that stuff is in the link

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description box if that's where you are

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listening to the show i don't know where

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over we've got jacques valet he's going

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to be hanging out of course paul heineck

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grant cameron's going to be beaming in

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colin andrews oh man jaime massan

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on the big stage there and it's real

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there you go all right

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starworksusa.com follow me on twitter

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at j church radio every time i take a

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my voice goes full berry white

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that's what you want to do hashtag f2b

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come and hang out with uh lisa reed lisa

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get straight to the breaking news

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because it's going down right now

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but check this out last night was a sad

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origin the star trek captain says

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he looks forward to being entranced

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absolute best

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sent me the best voicemail i've ever

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after being apart for 1300 years

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archaeologists now

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the glacier archaeology group secrets of

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the ice uncovered a lone ski

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it's well preserved and it even has its

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you know that place where the skiers you

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all of that has remained intact

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at the time it was only one of two skis

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with preserved binding

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the monitor

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that they did the team they they just

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their patience paid off because last

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there you go 1300 years ago

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with bindings

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man kaz

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kaz is doing her best to get elevated to

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a show producer because i barely get a

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new segment out and she has got it up

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here on twitter

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and uh thank you for that kaz kaz you

299
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are the best

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you are the absolute best

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all right

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let's see where am i at oh let's get the

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show cracking happy birthday to today

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hugh jackman

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today is 52.

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salmon dave's sam moore

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is 86. that's right soul man

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i thank you i you know what a zz tops

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version of i thank you is incredible

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it's incredible it's one of the great

311
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rock and roll songs ever

312
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um

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but go and listen to sam and dave's

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version of it

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and then

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wrap it up and you think of the fabulous

317
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thunderbirds you know and and and their

318
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version of it jimmy vaughn

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rap

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and dave's version

321
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i mean you know with i thank you and

322
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wrap it up and soul man the blues

323
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brothers it was great right go listen to

324
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sam and dave

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blueprint

326
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you know it's all there just

327
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just play the song

328
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that's what they did the damned front

329
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man david vanyan today

330
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is 65 and tesla's jeff keith the front

331
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man is 63. our dead guy's birthday today

332
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is moment of silence please for

333
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pat denisio

334
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1955-2017 died at the age of 62. pat

335
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was

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i hope you remember this man my chair

337
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lock went in

338
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you can't i can't rock with my chair

339
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lock

340
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but there it's out pat denisio 1955 2017

341
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pat was the lead singer

342
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songwriter and founding member of the

343
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smithereens

344
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which he formed

345
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:05,919
in 1980 now the band had a string of

346
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,400
hits including only a memory great song

347
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,480
a girl like you the big one right too

348
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much passion also a great song

349
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in 2000

350
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pat made an unsuccessful run for the new

351
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jersey seat

352
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of the united states senate

353
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running on the reform party ticket well

354
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he finished fourth the campaign was

355
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chronicled in the 2001 documentary film

356
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mr smithereen goes to washington pat

357
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died in summit new jersey on december 12

358
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2017 at the age of 62. his health had

359
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declined

360
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back in 2015 after a pair of falls that

361
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resulted in nerve damage that limited

362
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the use of his right hand and arm

363
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happy birthday pat on this day in

364
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history 1964

365
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:54,840
the soviet union launches

366
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voshkod1 into orbit around the earth

367
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with three cosmonauts on board vashcon

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one

369
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was the first spacecraft to carry a

370
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multi-person crew

371
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:08,160
that's right and the two-day mission was

372
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also the first flight performed without

373
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spacesuits

374
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:15,440
wait what

375
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levi's

376
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:22,720
and t-shirts fader fact

377
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,320
in sweden this is vetted all of my

378
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,799
friends all of the fader knots in sweden

379
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:30,720
i want you to tweet me right now and go

380
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:32,240
that's right

381
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:36,160
in sweden

382
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they have a national weekly eating plan

383
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and on thursdays

384
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:45,520
it's pancakes

385
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:54,390
i can't say that with a straight face

386
00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:02,310
and split pea soup

387
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:09,270
[Laughter]

388
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:12,559
split piece that is your fader fact

389
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:15,919
and uh i i know right now

390
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,600
come on come on it's gonna it's gonna

391
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:20,000
flood into twitter jimmy we love our

392
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:21,919
split bee soup

393
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:25,120
i bet you do we put a dollop

394
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:26,000
of

395
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,799
a dollop

396
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all right

397
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:37,840
that's your favorite fact tonight very

398
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,559
special guest paul heineck is here uh

399
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:42,960
serious face on it's it's back on

400
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because tonight we're going to discuss

401
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:47,360
the us government's investigation of

402
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,039
ufos and uaps and is this the new blue

403
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:53,760
book tomorrow night isaac arthur is here

404
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,640
for

405
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physics

406
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of a tic tac

407
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,240
get ready for that

408
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,919
i know jack sarfati is going to be

409
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:03,360
listening tomorrow night he's going to

410
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,880
be taking notes i'm going to get that

411
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:06,480
email from jack

412
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,669
oh

413
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:15,360
man anyway

414
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:16,960
thursday's another fader night with open

415
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:24,390
man

416
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:26,960
is something blinking behind me am i

417
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:29,919
hallucinating i've now looked twice or

418
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,350
is something did something blink

419
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,960
it's weird it's like a

420
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,320
little flash

421
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:42,480
did it i just want to know just pop it

422
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:43,840
up there

423
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:49,029
did any

424
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,480
anybody see a flash

425
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,480
okay man i'm done with you guys i'm done

426
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,440
i'm done i'm done now um

427
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,919
river moon rivermoonwellness.com

428
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,400
man i always run out of time i used to

429
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:04,960
have this is this is the deal

430
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,760
all right it used to be

431
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,280
see i got to make this quick because i'm

432
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:11,679
eating i used to have 20 minutes for a

433
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,640
rant

434
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,720
i blast through the news i do this and

435
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,960
the birthdays and i've done this for for

436
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:18,159
eight years

437
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:21,919
right and i would have 20 minutes

438
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:30,310
those are the funniest split pea soup

439
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:37,190
that's the dish is that right

440
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:38,559
is that

441
00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:44,630
come on serious face

442
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,480
all right

443
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:47,760
rivermoonwellness.com river moon coffee

444
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:53,590
cause i don't have any time anymore

445
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,400
um

446
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:57,200
i just finished a new movie and you know

447
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,320
when

448
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:01,039
i recommend a movie

449
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,960
write it down

450
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,720
don't mess up don't go back and listen

451
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,559
to the show later he mentioned it right

452
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,240
here i can't find it what was it what

453
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,919
was the movie jimmy and then you're

454
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,679
gonna text somebody's gonna send me an

455
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,039
email

456
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,679
and uh the screen went lighter did it

457
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:17,039
really

458
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,159
come on

459
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,919
man

460
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,159
so i didn't hallucinate i'd rather

461
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:24,000
hallucinate

462
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,600
um

463
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,360
but i just finished this new movie it's

464
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:29,520
called

465
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,789
operation rainfall

466
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,799
nightfall that's what i get for not

467
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,080
taking notes

468
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,000
i gotta i gotta write this stuff out

469
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:46,720
operation rainfall

470
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:49,600
and if you're in the mood

471
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,640
you know for a cool alien invasion flick

472
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,240
this is the movie for you it's great

473
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,880
it's fantastic i took a chance on it

474
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,440
i ended up watching it one and a half

475
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,320
times i i got halfway through it

476
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,720
and i started it over from the beginning

477
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,440
extraordinary film great ending by the

478
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,520
way great ending

479
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:11,600
australian

480
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,880
um special effects are off the charts

481
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,799
um there's a really good

482
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,200
human story behind it

483
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,520
human alien story

484
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,200
uh really well done

485
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:26,000
uh the special effects are off the hook

486
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,880
and

487
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,880
um the movie is great but there's a

488
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:30,159
moment

489
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,679
in the film

490
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,919
where uh you know they got this giant

491
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,400
mother ship really cool by the way you

492
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,799
know in earth's or a bit with all these

493
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,559
little you know

494
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,240
ships coming down and bombing us coming

495
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:43,760
off the mothership but anyway it's a

496
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,039
long camera shot and goes up and then

497
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:49,840
and you see like head alien dude on the

498
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,480
ship and the ship is big it's it's like

499
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:54,559
a hundred times the size of independence

500
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,760
day kind of thing just ginormous anyway

501
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:00,960
this alien dude

502
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,600
is crazy cool

503
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,919
i've never seen anything like it

504
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,679
and and the whole movie is great the

505
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,600
special event the aliens the et's that

506
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,679
are hanging out and there's um what's

507
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,240
his name from

508
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,520
uh the japanese the chinese the korean

509
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,039
actor from

510
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,919
uh the las vegas movie with mike tyson

511
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:23,360
you guys know who i'm talking about he

512
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,360
was in the tv series community um him

513
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:28,880
he's in it and

514
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:31,840
and he's got a great scene uh a little

515
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,400
little part but his buddy his alien

516
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,799
buddy straight out part of your dude

517
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,279
it's uh it's pretty bad

518
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,679
it's a serious movie but that that scene

519
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,279
anyway i want you to check it out it's

520
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,440
called operation rainfall you're not

521
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,120
going to be disappointed the special

522
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,760
effects the acting the story just an

523
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:52,320
excellent excellent film i am going to

524
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,440
watch it

525
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:54,799
again

526
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,679
all right okay now earlier today

527
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,559
i was on with uh christina gomez

528
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,440
and richard dolan joined us for a

529
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:05,440
continuation of the show that we did

530
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:06,559
last week

531
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,919
uh about bob lazar and uh today was

532
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,279
great

533
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,919
but this is what happened um

534
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,440
uh

535
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,200
today as we're talking about lazar we're

536
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,880
talking about papoose lake we're talking

537
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,559
about s4 and we're talking about this

538
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,559
and i said hey you know those hangar

539
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:23,760
doors and

540
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:26,720
um i brought up a video that tyler

541
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,120
glockner had put up uh on secure team 10

542
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:32,880
a couple of years ago maybe three years

543
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,600
ago back when corbell's masterpiece

544
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,559
uh came out that film lazar and that

545
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,600
film had premiered and and tyler came up

546
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,000
with this video and i remember tyler

547
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,480
um texting me going dude man i think i

548
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:49,120
found uh the uh hanger doors at papoose

549
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,080
lake

550
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,480
it's like what and anyway it's an

551
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,080
excellent video so

552
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:57,039
i bring this up today on on christina's

553
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:58,480
show

554
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,600
and

555
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,559
after i got off the air with christina i

556
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,799
had texted tyler i i need that video

557
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,360
then i found the uh video and

558
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:09,679
uh no somebody in uh

559
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,640
tina in christina's chat room uh texted

560
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,000
me the link and it was the correct one

561
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,840
and i watched the video

562
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,000
and i went back and

563
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:21,679
uh to area 51 to papoose lake and i'm

564
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,600
following uh the video with um

565
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,200
uh tyler

566
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,399
and i find i find this freaking set of

567
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,240
doors on the side of this mountain not

568
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:34,080
really mountains more like a hill you

569
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:35,360
can see the roads and stuff it's not

570
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:36,480
very high

571
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,320
but um but ginormous doors

572
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:42,159
on this hilltop

573
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,679
and it is there so i went over to

574
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,159
twitter i grabbed i marked it i didn't

575
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:50,159
you know you know how you lose stuff in

576
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,440
in google

577
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,600
google maps and so i marked it i get the

578
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:55,120
coordinates and

579
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,640
it's the first time i've ever done that

580
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,640
and i didn't realize it was that easy

581
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,399
double click and it just copies to your

582
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,480
pace uh your uh

583
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,120
uh your clipboard

584
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,679
and i went straight over to twitter

585
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,240
and i busted it out and i want everybody

586
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,320
just go to my twitter feed

587
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,440
and uh or go to hashtag f2b and you will

588
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:16,880
see

589
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,919
uh what i posted there with these uh

590
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,200
coordinates

591
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,919
and what everybody else is

592
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:25,760
is seeing when you go there it's very

593
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,880
simple but you just need to go

594
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:31,279
and and peep it out for yourself now

595
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,320
somebody

596
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,880
i've been reading the comments

597
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,679
uh

598
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,279
and somebody said hey

599
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,760
you know this is a nuclear waste or

600
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,080
something like that now although that's

601
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,720
totally possible and and it and it could

602
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:46,080
be that

603
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,559
um i don't think even though this is

604
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,320
at the nuclear test site and it's next

605
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,640
to area 51 it's probably

606
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,679
some serious government land and secured

607
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,840
and all of that i just don't think that

608
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,240
the government would allow google to

609
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,039
have a nuclear

610
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,440
waste facility

611
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:09,679
on on google earth i i could have that

612
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,039
wrong i i don't know but um

613
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,720
here's the other part

614
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,919
for me

615
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,320
they haven't tested nuclear weapons out

616
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,840
there in a long time

617
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,080
so why would something like this be

618
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:24,000
under construction now number one number

619
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,039
two

620
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,360
if it is a nuclear way

621
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,480
why would they put nuclear waste

622
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,799
uh like that that close to vegas now i

623
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,640
know that they were blowing bombs up

624
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,279
there and testing nuclear weapons that

625
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,039
close to vegas but back then they just

626
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,039
didn't think it was that big of a deal

627
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:42,880
well we know it is now and we don't do

628
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:43,679
it

629
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,799
so

630
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,440
why would there be fresh construction

631
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,480
not sure and it looks pretty big for

632
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,159
nuclear waste

633
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,039
you can see a semi truck outside of the

634
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,600
entrance and it's parked right there and

635
00:30:02,950 --> 00:29:58,960
that thing

636
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,960
that door go and look it's probably

637
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,440
six times the height

638
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:07,919
of that semi truck and it's right there

639
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,799
i mean that is a map when you look

640
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,320
you look at the mountain look at the

641
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,960
roads and then look at the size of those

642
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,320
two doors

643
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,919
holy crap

644
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,440
i could have it wrong they could be

645
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,200
taller than that

646
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,640
so i don't know

647
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,000
i'm just saying

648
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:26,720
that they are there and they are there

649
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,159
next to area 51. now it's on north west

650
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:32,880
north little west uh

651
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,320
west a little north of area 51 stone's

652
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,159
throw pretty close

653
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,240
pretty close pretty close long ways away

654
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:41,840
from papoose lake

655
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:45,840
um is this something to do with uh lazar

656
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,360
uh i don't think so um

657
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,559
but hey

658
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,159
you know there you go but go and check

659
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,640
it out i've got the coordinates up with

660
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,799
that i just found that very interesting

661
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,880
today i'm gonna get out of here i'll be

662
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,880
right back with our guest

663
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,600
paul heineck and we are going to discuss

664
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,480
tonight what is going on ufos uaps the

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00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:08,080
united states government the military

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department of defense the dia all in the

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middle of

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investigating ufos

669
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,640
what is going on is this the new blue

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book all that much more with paul when i

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756
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,829
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757
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00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:48,000
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759
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760
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:54,160
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00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:01,670
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[Music]

763
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,400
all right welcome back fade to black i

764
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,870
i got paul heineck genuinely messing

765
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,680
with me right now i absolutely love it

766
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,839
he is with us tonight

767
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,280
we're going to be discussing the united

768
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,960
states government investigation of you

769
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,800
oppo ufos

770
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:38,000
paul

771
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:38,839
at

772
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,680
uaps tomorrow night isaac arthur is here

773
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,440
the physics of a tic tac thursday

774
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,800
night's another fade tonight with open

775
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:46,480
lines all night long

776
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,760
and uh we tonight with paul

777
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,280
we're going to talk about where we are

778
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,760
today with the et ufo uap issue and how

779
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,000
the united states government military

780
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,079
seems to be changing their stance on the

781
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:00,960
subject and how it has changed since the

782
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,240
1969 termination of project blue book

783
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,760
paul has worked in tech and

784
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,280
entertainment and is currently a

785
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,200
business consultant paul is also a

786
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,200
former adjunct professor at pepperdine

787
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,400
university he is the son of dr j allen

788
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,320
heineck an astronomer who worked with

789
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:17,839
the united states air force

790
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:21,280
investigating ufo cases from 1948 to the

791
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,800
end of blue book in 1969. dr j allen

792
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:26,720
heineck began his investigation with the

793
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,440
united states air force as a skeptic now

794
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,880
we're going to talk about that tonight

795
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,839
because by the time blue book ended he

796
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,240
was convinced that some of those cases

797
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,599
posed a real mystery and uh there's a

798
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,240
great book a re-release of hynix ufo

799
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,119
report the authoritative cover-up and

800
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:47,040
the links for that are over at

801
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,720
jimmychurchradio.com

802
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,560
i would like to welcome back the one and

803
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,200
only to fade to black paul heineck paul

804
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,119
good evening

805
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,680
well well

806
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:59,280
you know sure

807
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,480
[Laughter]

808
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,839
um is that a discotheque

809
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,760
yeah

810
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,680
and uh i've got a little uh cutting out

811
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,760
on you i've got a little little cutting

812
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:13,520
out

813
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,119
not the video the video is excellent

814
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,920
yeah okay

815
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:22,400
okay uh right now it's fine

816
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,240
so let's see what happens um uh but this

817
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:28,000
is the deal it's probably because i'm

818
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:29,599
talking over you

819
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,880
is is what's going on anyway um

820
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,880
that is an interesting point that you

821
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:35,920
and i

822
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:39,119
um have discussed briefly in the past

823
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:40,079
but

824
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,839
i think it needs to be addressed again

825
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:43,920
before we get to the mean of the matter

826
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:47,040
tonight and and that is

827
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:48,160
uh

828
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:48,960
when

829
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:52,000
the the talk goes to

830
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,839
uh dr heineck went from skeptic uh to

831
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,280
believer

832
00:39:04,150 --> 00:38:59,359
right is that taking things to the

833
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,160
extreme or did his stance really change

834
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:05,839
yeah his stance

835
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,880
certainly did change but i would

836
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,640
modify that slightly and say he went

837
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,640
from skeptic to

838
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,640
acceptor of the data because i don't

839
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,200
know if scientists traffic with the word

840
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,200
believe so much

841
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:20,960
uh you know he went from thinking there

842
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,079
was nothing to it it's flying saucers

843
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,560
to thinking that the accumulated weight

844
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:28,880
of the evidence over time

845
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,320
was too much to just cast a blind eye at

846
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:34,320
and that there really was a phenomenon

847
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:35,119
there

848
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,400
now uh

849
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,640
there's a few cases uh with your dad

850
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:41,520
that we all talk about

851
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:42,480
and

852
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,760
even even for me i think that is one of

853
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:49,520
the more fascinating

854
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,480
uh cases out there but

855
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:55,200
uh for you did he ever

856
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,400
specifically talk about a case that

857
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,920
that even

858
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:01,599
you know for him

859
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,520
uh he couldn't get it out of the way

860
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:07,599
yeah well you know now that you bring up

861
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,960
socorro i'll talk about socorro

862
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,119
through the eyes of jacques valet our

863
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,160
mutual friend right um who was a close

864
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,920
colleague and a longtime friend of my

865
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,200
father as well

866
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:21,440
and jacques told me when we were

867
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,880
together in socorro at the site of the

868
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:26,319
of the landing

869
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,640
that until socorro in 1964

870
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,680
my father was hesitant to talk about

871
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,359
creature cases

872
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,720
and that

873
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,560
socorro is kind of the straw that broke

874
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,480
the camel's back and also a great case

875
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,359
in and of itself an on-duty policeman

876
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,720
who was not really a ufo type guy

877
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,119
and that case just sort of congealed

878
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,200
around the time that the evidence had

879
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,760
gotten to the point where my father felt

880
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,119
yeah okay

881
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,160
as a rocket scientist and astronomer i'm

882
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,079
really comfortable talking about this

883
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,640
more sort of sensationalistic aspect of

884
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,359
ufo cases as opposed to like nocturnal

885
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:06,800
lights in the sky

886
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,480
and it it appears to me and

887
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,640
and of course jacques you're right about

888
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:14,400
that it's got tremendous insight on that

889
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,359
case

890
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,720
uh because

891
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:19,280
firsthand you know for for him and and

892
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,720
your father but uh your dad

893
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,800
and correct me if i'm wrong and you can

894
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,480
do this in front of the audience you can

895
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:29,040
just throw me under the bus but correct

896
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,480
me if i'm wrong

897
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:33,359
your dad and project blue book the team

898
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,200
that they did everything they could

899
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:39,119
to debunk that case

900
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:39,920
right

901
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:43,440
i mean they would they went way beyond

902
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,599
most other uh chapters of of the

903
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,920
project blue book

904
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:51,920
absolutely that was their

905
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,119
their their mission was to explain cases

906
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,520
it wasn't to understand them and my

907
00:42:03,109 --> 00:41:59,680
father joked that blue book could be

908
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,119
called the society for the explanation

909
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,599
of the uninvestigated

910
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,440
because they didn't really care what the

911
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:09,920
underlying truth was they just wanted to

912
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,560
tamp down hysteria you know this is the

913
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,920
cold war

914
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,560
and not long after you know well sputnik

915
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,480
was right during the middle of project

916
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,079
blue book so there was

917
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:22,640
palpable fear in the air

918
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,440
of

919
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:25,040
threats from the air whether it's

920
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:26,160
russians

921
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,000
or

922
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,359
extraterrestrials so project blue book

923
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,480
was a pr exercise just to calm people to

924
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,839
hell down

925
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:34,720
and

926
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,000
uh

927
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,680
socorro gave him the opportunity and the

928
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,000
team there because there was so much

929
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,560
going on there was a university nearby

930
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:47,680
nasa

931
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,800
the testing of the lunar lander

932
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,280
all of these experiments were happening

933
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:55,760
there was probably experimental aircraft

934
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,200
as well in the area a lot going on in

935
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,800
that part of the world back then and a

936
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,359
lot of it was super secret

937
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,200
um but it gave

938
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,520
your dad and others the opportunity to

939
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,240
go out and see what was going on if

940
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,720
there was testing of any of this stuff

941
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,119
in the area different from

942
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,040
uh you know the flatwoods you know

943
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,440
monster or whatever this is a totally

944
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:21,280
different situation where they were able

945
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:22,480
to go and

946
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,440
and and get the shoes dirty

947
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,200
right and you know you mentioned its

948
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,040
proximity if you go back

949
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,520
20 years before that it's the 1940s in

950
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,560
new mexico which is kind of ground zero

951
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,200
for ufo cases with roswell and of course

952
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,440
san antonio and you had jacques and

953
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,160
paula harris on to talk about their book

954
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,240
trinity which talked about that great

955
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,800
case in san antonio and the principal

956
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:49,760
witness in that case was the cousin of

957
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,480
lani zamora from socorro

958
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,720
coincidence

959
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,800
right that's the family just like me you

960
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:58,720
know ufos of the family business what

961
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,319
can i say yeah and uh did you uh

962
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:04,079
well i'm sure you poured over blue book

963
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,359
quite a bit but

964
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,440
uh did you go back and do the same thing

965
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,000
that the rest of us have done when it

966
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:12,000
comes to socorro

967
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,119
which is

968
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:15,520
do the deep dive because

969
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:18,880
uh different from other cases we've got

970
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,720
um the fbi we've got uh the air force

971
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,119
involved we've got local law enforcement

972
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,119
we have eyewitnesses we have trace

973
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:29,680
evidence we have everything

974
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,800
is laid out right there and and there's

975
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:34,400
new information

976
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:38,160
that seems to be popping up even today

977
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,440
well

978
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,640
you know

979
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,280
i am uh

980
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,200
luckily that i had all this ufo stuff

981
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,359
handed to me on a silver platter so i

982
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,440
haven't had to go digging too much

983
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,119
nowadays all i have to do is call

984
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,960
jacques and i can get it straight from

985
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,440
the horse's mouth of not only

986
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,440
the facts that happen but the sort of

987
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,560
tonality and the color around it because

988
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,200
you know my father was an astrophysicist

989
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:05,839
and he was trained to follow you know

990
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,560
the paths of of celestial bodies he

991
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,720
wasn't trained to talk to people about

992
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,200
what they saw and he had the crucial

993
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:15,599
insight that he wasn't investigating

994
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,119
ufos he was investigating ufo sightings

995
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,040
and that meant here he is a physicist

996
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:23,200
who actually has to talk to people

997
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,000
so

998
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,480
you know and then when you do that and

999
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,560
when you go and you talk to

1000
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:31,119
a witness of a ufo case for a while and

1001
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,400
you get beyond

1002
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,160
what happened what did you feel and you

1003
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,400
get to learn about them as a person

1004
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,880
you really get sort of the flavor of the

1005
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,599
experience and jacques and paula have

1006
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,200
done that so much

1007
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,920
that they can pattern match and and and

1008
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,560
coincide that case with other ones and

1009
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,720
really see these emergent properties

1010
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,960
from just a few cases certainly bell

1011
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:54,240
weather cases like the ones in new

1012
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,280
mexico

1013
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:57,839
um i want to ask you a personal question

1014
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,560
if i can

1015
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,160
of course what what could i possibly

1016
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:04,160
hide from you that see that's my

1017
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:05,280
question

1018
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,319
you

1019
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,839
paul seriously

1020
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,280
you are

1021
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,680
a cool dude

1022
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,440
right from the top of your head down to

1023
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,359
the tips of your toes

1024
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:17,599
you are you are just

1025
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,960
cool like paul newman cool

1026
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:22,960
was your dad like that

1027
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,000
did is there something in the dna

1028
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,960
your dad's public image is one thing the

1029
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:29,920
pipe

1030
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:33,119
right pragmatic black and white you know

1031
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:34,400
scientist

1032
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,520
but

1033
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,240
was he was he cool

1034
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,119
my dad was super cool my mom was awfully

1035
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:43,680
cool and i probably the least cool of

1036
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,000
their five offspring how's that possible

1037
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:50,880
they're way cool um you know my dad was

1038
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,319
wearing like solar system beatnik ties

1039
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,359
and you know he really made science cool

1040
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,000
he's rocking that goatee

1041
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,000
and you know one minute he's talking

1042
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,800
about you know red dwarfs and then he's

1043
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,359
busting out a triple pun on you

1044
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:08,400
really

1045
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:13,839
uh great sense of humor but a weakness

1046
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,480
for super bad puns

1047
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,640
ain't nothing wrong with that man okay

1048
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,880
so that's where you get it from then

1049
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:22,240
yeah well my mom thought there was

1050
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:23,920
something wrong with that and she

1051
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,640
instituted a rule that if you told three

1052
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,559
puns at the dinner table you're out

1053
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,400
you're gone

1054
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:32,160
no dessert

1055
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:32,880
no

1056
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,559
straight to jail oh man um okay i just

1057
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,720
had to ask that um

1058
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:43,359
uh from the moment uh that you and i

1059
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,880
first met um i just remember your smile

1060
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,480
and and

1061
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,480
this this thing that you've got going on

1062
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,040
with you where um

1063
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,680
i i i i didn't want to be intimidated

1064
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:58,079
but i kind of expected that

1065
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:59,280
um

1066
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,160
uh

1067
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,960
in in some and it was the exact opposite

1068
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:03,920
with you

1069
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,160
and uh and i just love it you know like

1070
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:08,000
today you know jimmy we're gonna rock

1071
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,599
and roll tonight let's go you know and

1072
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,200
i'm like you know what

1073
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:13,760
you know that is so cool okay so

1074
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:17,359
um but back to this

1075
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,640
the the other serious question that all

1076
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:23,040
of us want to know

1077
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:24,480
is

1078
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,200
did your father

1079
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,800
have

1080
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:31,359
secrets that he took with him

1081
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:34,720
do you think he was exposed

1082
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,750
yeah

1083
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:42,240
that's getting right to the core now um

1084
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,680
you know i don't think so i don't think

1085
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,359
he had

1086
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:50,480
unless he was sworn to secrecy

1087
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,920
by someone he personally respected

1088
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,760
you know somebody one of the one of the

1089
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,000
cool air force directors of project blue

1090
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:00,559
book like robert friend

1091
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,160
i don't see why he would have done that

1092
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,880
and um i was with him

1093
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,359
all up until he passed away

1094
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:10,800
and you know one of the cool things

1095
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:11,680
about

1096
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,520
1910

1097
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:17,920
when halley's comet came by

1098
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,440
and he died in 1986 when halley's

1099
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,319
comment came by again

1100
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,280
and

1101
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,839
i was with them up until the end

1102
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:29,200
and

1103
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:33,440
that but he didn't have any

1104
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,200
kind of uh you know end confession of

1105
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,760
hey you know go to the third palm tree

1106
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,160
in the backyard and and dig underneath

1107
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,640
that or talk to this guy or look in this

1108
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:45,520
file

1109
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:48,079
so i think he did he felt really no

1110
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,440
compunctions

1111
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,200
about releasing what he knew because

1112
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,640
that was his mission is to get

1113
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,319
information out

1114
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,000
now uh

1115
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,319
his frustration

1116
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,319
uh with blue book and of course the

1117
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,240
termination of blue book

1118
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,720
was pretty public and i don't think he

1119
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,440
pulled any punches i think he was very

1120
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:10,000
very direct with that

1121
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,160
um but do you believe

1122
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,040
that the military and specifically the

1123
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:19,200
united states air force

1124
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,359
did have the real goods on on ufos

1125
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,359
contacting e.t

1126
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,319
um that wasn't exposed to your father or

1127
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:29,839
project blue book

1128
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,040
and that the two projects ran

1129
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,680
um separately

1130
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,240
yeah um you know we have a tendency to

1131
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,960
think of the us government as one

1132
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,200
monolithic entity

1133
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,119
acting in unison

1134
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,280
in a coherent fashion

1135
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,920
and the more you know this government or

1136
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,280
most other governments you realize

1137
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,119
that's not the case it's

1138
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:56,640
a bunch of warring fiefdoms of sausage

1139
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:58,000
factories

1140
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,280
churning out

1141
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,000
legislation and at cross purposes with

1142
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,319
each other even in my father's day

1143
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:06,240
when there wasn't a single government

1144
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,359
entity

1145
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,680
hell bent on disclosure

1146
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:11,520
they were at cross purposes with each

1147
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:12,400
other

1148
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:15,920
you know after 1953 when we had the cia

1149
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,720
organized robertson panel which is the

1150
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,119
first sort of academic panel to

1151
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,839
pooh-pooh the ufo subject

1152
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,000
the cia

1153
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:27,839
had put them up to that and then there

1154
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,319
was the air intelligence service

1155
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,000
squadron

1156
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,559
which was had the mission of getting to

1157
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,599
any crash site of any type of aircraft

1158
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:39,920
in the continental united states in six

1159
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,800
hours and they had russian speakers

1160
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,760
and so it's widely believed that that's

1161
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,920
where the men in black come from and the

1162
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,400
men in black are a great

1163
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,079
physical image

1164
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,559
of what i think is a government entity

1165
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,119
working at cross purposes with my father

1166
00:52:02,790 --> 00:51:58,640
and project blue book

1167
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,910
oh there you are

1168
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,230
you don't know what i was looking at

1169
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:09,760
you don't want to know you don't want to

1170
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:10,640
know

1171
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,680
um

1172
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,000
you don't want to know

1173
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,839
the um

1174
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,200
which which

1175
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,119
which takes us through

1176
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,280
to today paul

1177
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,630
wow that was crazy

1178
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:32,870
uh it's on my charger can you hear me

1179
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,599
wow okay yeah yeah take it away from

1180
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:37,119
whatever

1181
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:38,240
okay

1182
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,589
i i think

1183
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,270
i think we're being listened to

1184
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,549
can everybody hear this

1185
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,069
okay

1186
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,880
yeah there's something going on

1187
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:58,480
i have never heard this i've been doing

1188
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:03,910
that is nuts

1189
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,190
okay all right

1190
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,960
you know what

1191
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,280
paul stay right there i'm gonna reset

1192
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,880
this no just stay right there don't go

1193
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,960
anywhere i'm just going to reset i'm

1194
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,119
going to keep yapping on this end

1195
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,000
that's bizarre

1196
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,480
are you guys listening to this

1197
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,839
i've never heard anything like that

1198
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,160
before so i'm going to reset i'm going

1199
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,480
to see if that is continuing

1200
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,880
but you can hear it

1201
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:34,480
yeah

1202
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,599
um

1203
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:36,800
okay

1204
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,400
because with um as many shows as i have

1205
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,960
done i've had interference i've had i've

1206
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,440
never heard that

1207
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,480
that was uh crazy to me

1208
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,480
okay now let's

1209
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,079
that's bizarre

1210
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,839
okay hang on hang on hang

1211
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:56,640
on let me

1212
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,680
do this okay are you there paul

1213
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:02,640
yes sir see now it's gone

1214
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,000
okay it's gonna take them a few minutes

1215
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,480
uh to circle back and chase chase us

1216
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,599
down

1217
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,750
they had us bad i'm serious paul go back

1218
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,680
and listen to the show

1219
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,520
and uh get to the

1220
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,160
20-minute mark into our interview

1221
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,800
and and listen to that

1222
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:25,760
okay

1223
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,559
you're oh man that was uh

1224
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,400
that was nuts

1225
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:32,319
that was absolutely nuts

1226
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:35,920
yeah yeah everybody's cia i know right

1227
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,520
okay all right um which takes us through

1228
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,200
to today

1229
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,040
in that

1230
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,000
now we have the uap task force we have

1231
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:47,839
their report

1232
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,040
and just like project blue book

1233
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,440
where we've got you know there's not we

1234
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,000
don't know there's nothing here it's not

1235
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,200
us it's not them it's it's it you know

1236
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,440
this crazy answer to the question but

1237
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,119
obviously

1238
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,200
somebody's been investigating for a very

1239
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,720
long time

1240
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:08,640
project blue book

1241
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,319
supposedly was officially ended in 1969

1242
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:14,799
and now as it turns out

1243
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:17,839
they've never stopped investigating

1244
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:18,640
and

1245
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,599
their report just like blue book says

1246
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:23,680
nothing to see here

1247
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:26,079
are we dealing with the new blue book or

1248
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,720
a continuation of everything from 1969

1249
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,119
well you know the report

1250
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,359
that the pentagon put out

1251
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,079
or the um department of

1252
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:41,359
i forget which alphabet soup dia yeah

1253
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,799
dia

1254
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,640
director of national intelligence

1255
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,760
um

1256
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:47,440
this was kind of

1257
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,000
orchestrated by chris mellon as have a

1258
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:51,599
lot of the government disclosures been

1259
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,559
of late

1260
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:54,880
and it was tucked away at the end of the

1261
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:57,920
stimulus bill that by june 25th

1262
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,040
they had to release a report on ufos

1263
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,760
so you know i remember when i was a kid

1264
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,280
that we used to joke about how the

1265
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,920
pentagon would put up reports about what

1266
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:09,760
color is the best for toilets and it'd

1267
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:12,880
be 2 000 pages so here's a report about

1268
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,480
ufos and it's nine pages long

1269
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:18,960
two pages of appendices

1270
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,000
so clearly this is not a good faith

1271
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,240
effort to disclose information but

1272
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:26,640
merely to check a box to say that they

1273
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,200
complied with a requirement that first

1274
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,720
and foremost right

1275
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,440
but then when you read the report

1276
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,599
it's almost like there's somebody behind

1277
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,839
the scenes who's trying to communicate a

1278
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:40,319
little bit more than they should

1279
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:42,520
you know they said that they studied

1280
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:45,680
144 cases which seem to have some kind

1281
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:48,640
of biblical significance to me but out

1282
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,240
of 144 cases they admit

1283
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:54,720
that they only had what they called high

1284
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,799
confidence to explain one of them

1285
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,880
now that's a pretty bad batting average

1286
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,040
you can less than one percent you can

1287
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,079
explain of the reports that you cherry

1288
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,240
pick to disclose i thought that was

1289
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,160
fascinating and then

1290
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:12,880
twice in the report and then they they

1291
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:16,160
make it boldface all caps and underline

1292
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,280
they say

1293
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:19,200
this is a risk

1294
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,319
to area aviators and pilots

1295
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,960
and a potential threat to national

1296
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,880
security

1297
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:29,119
this is a complete about phase from the

1298
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,400
tonality

1299
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,240
of the air force communication my

1300
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,000
father's day which were basically

1301
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:36,319
nothing to see here please disperse we

1302
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,440
got this

1303
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,440
now they're saying yeah national

1304
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,839
security we don't know i mean this is

1305
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,400
incredible stuff that they were forced

1306
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,079
to release and they couldn't help

1307
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,640
themselves but admit that they are

1308
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,000
scared

1309
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,720
now what did you um and we're gonna stay

1310
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,119
right here but let's back up for a

1311
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,160
second what went through your mind

1312
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,920
and i'm sure it was a lot

1313
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:00,960
when

1314
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,799
uh lou elizondo steps out of of the

1315
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,520
darkness out of the shadows

1316
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,599
you know i've been part of atip man this

1317
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,920
program's been running for uh at least

1318
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:13,599
12 years and

1319
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,480
and we have been investigating uh ufos

1320
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:19,440
and unidentified aerial phenomena when

1321
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,440
the exact opposite has been projected

1322
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:24,160
repeatedly

1323
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,680
to journalists uh any elected official

1324
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,359
that was inquisitive

1325
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,200
uh the last

1326
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,839
roswell case closed in the general

1327
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:35,920
accounting office and and everything

1328
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:40,400
that has happened uh as recently as 1995

1329
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:43,920
uh through to today that's 26 years of

1330
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,240
absolute denial when it turned out the

1331
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:48,400
opposite was true

1332
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,750
about time i mean it was obvious

1333
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,040
i mean

1334
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,880
if you're going to

1335
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,559
make a list of the things that the

1336
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,720
united states government needs to be

1337
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,799
kind of up to date on

1338
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,559
ufos is one of them whether you think

1339
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,240
there's nothing to it or not just so

1340
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,240
that you know the messaging the talking

1341
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,960
points to give even if it's only that

1342
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:15,200
but clearly anybody who looks at the

1343
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,359
phenomena realizes there's something

1344
00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:20,160
there now whether it's ai as you and i

1345
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,640
have talked about before

1346
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,200
extraterrestrial

1347
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,599
inter-dimensional that's a whole nother

1348
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,520
ball of wax but there's definitely

1349
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,200
something going on it's obvious that

1350
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:30,960
they would have been studying it all

1351
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,000
these years so when lou came out who's a

1352
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,319
very credible figure by the way

1353
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:38,559
and said yep we've been studying it and

1354
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:40,000
he had a lot of interesting things to

1355
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,799
say

1356
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:43,200
it was good this is seemed like a little

1357
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,839
bit more sunlight on the phenomena now

1358
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:47,200
and i think my father would be very

1359
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,280
gratified to see that let's take our

1360
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:50,960
break right here our guest tonight paul

1361
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,440
heineck this is fade to black i am your

1362
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,200
host jimmy church tonight we are

1363
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,280
discussing is this

1364
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,359
the new blue book

1365
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:01,280
that's right all that and much more with

1366
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:02,880
paul when we come back after this short

1367
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,200
break our murals jimmy church this is

1368
01:00:09,790 --> 01:00:07,200
fade to black on the game changer

1369
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:09,800
network stay with us

1370
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:21,520
[Music]

1371
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:24,160
so

1372
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,240
[Music]

1373
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:34,400
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1374
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:41,510
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1392
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,799
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1393
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1394
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:40,880
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1395
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1396
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,040
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1397
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,280
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1398
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,440
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1399
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,280
find the real thing

1400
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,920
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01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:13,039
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01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:14,960
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1408
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:17,680
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1409
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:19,760
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1410
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:23,280
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1411
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:25,760
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1412
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:27,520
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01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,640
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1446
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1450
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,200
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1451
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,440
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1452
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:25,039
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1453
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,720
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1454
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:28,640
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1455
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,960
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1456
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1457
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,270
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1459
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:42,000
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1460
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:44,319
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1461
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:47,920
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1462
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,760
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1463
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,440
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

1464
01:05:01,600 --> 01:04:53,119
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1465
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:11,900
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1466
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,640
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

1467
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,920
jimmy church our guest tonight paul

1468
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,079
heineck

1469
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:23,280
hall is going to be with me at the star

1470
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:27,200
works usa conference ufos all above and

1471
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:28,400
beyond

1472
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,280
and

1473
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:30,960
uh that's going down november 12th

1474
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,839
through the 14th in laughlin nevada and

1475
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:35,440
and paul i want to what are you going to

1476
01:05:40,820 --> 01:05:38,559
be speaking about this year

1477
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:40,830
growing up with ufos

1478
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:43,359
[Laughter]

1479
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,119
that's like six hours are you going to

1480
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,390
no i think paolo will yank me off stage

1481
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,319
well before that

1482
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:54,640
we're going to be doing uh uh

1483
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:57,599
a fade to black live on on friday night

1484
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:01,280
and uh just um be prepared that's all

1485
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,400
i'm saying man just be prepared i got to

1486
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:06,799
get you up on stage we need to do like

1487
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:09,039
15 minutes of stand up together

1488
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:11,280
and uh it'll it'll be really happening

1489
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:12,400
but i'm looking forward to the

1490
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,520
conference

1491
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,200
and uh

1492
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,960
and and speaking of that i want to get

1493
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:18,400
back to what we were talking about

1494
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:19,680
before the break

1495
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,839
um uh the report and and is it the new

1496
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:25,520
blue book

1497
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,520
by the way

1498
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,240
paul your office looks like the set of

1499
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:33,039
2001 a space odyssey

1500
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:34,240
yeah yeah

1501
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,880
rock and roll here man

1502
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:38,640
oh that is cool yeah spin around how

1503
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:42,240
many monitors hold on a minute here

1504
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:44,079
look at you

1505
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,760
that's two monitors but one of them is

1506
01:06:49,890 --> 01:06:48,000
49 inches wide yeah

1507
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:49,900
a curved

1508
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,000
[Laughter]

1509
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:53,920
full-on gel man

1510
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:56,640
full-on gel and uh there you go and he's

1511
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,119
got the uh the black cat too as well

1512
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:00,960
what's your cat's name

1513
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:08,230
she's literally looking at the show

1514
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:11,510
yeah black cat that is just too cool

1515
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:12,400
okay

1516
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,559
all right so uh back to this um

1517
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:18,079
for you

1518
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,520
um

1519
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:21,839
how has

1520
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:25,839
the subject of ufos changed

1521
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:27,520
from the sightings and the images and

1522
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,839
the types of ufos

1523
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,559
uh how that has changed over the years

1524
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,480
the types of sightings

1525
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,039
uh we don't have landings like we used

1526
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:39,200
to right you know like going back to

1527
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,400
socorro

1528
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:42,480
for you how has it changed

1529
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,000
and and where are we today

1530
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:48,799
i would say in addition to the sort of

1531
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:52,000
tectonic shifts of the foundation of the

1532
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:53,839
government and how they

1533
01:08:00,430 --> 01:07:58,319
relate to us for me the other big change

1534
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:00,440
is going from

1535
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,400
extraterrestrial to inter-dimensional

1536
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:06,480
and not for me

1537
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:08,960
not waiting for them to come here

1538
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,200
but going to see them it's a whole

1539
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:12,960
different ball game for me

1540
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,280
the uh

1541
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,080
uh i don't know okay are you saying that

1542
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:20,480
our perception

1543
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:23,600
has changed in in what we understand you

1544
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:25,839
know from something more

1545
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:26,960
uh

1546
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,960
nuts and bolts to something much more

1547
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,120
uh deeper and something that we don't

1548
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,279
understand you know talking about

1549
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:37,199
something that may be interdimensional

1550
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,520
is that what you're referring to

1551
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,600
yeah and i would say

1552
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,359
you know my father and jacques and

1553
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:45,839
others back in the day

1554
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,960
and

1555
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,440
a lot of people now

1556
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,359
you know look at you know people that

1557
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:53,359
that look at it with an open eye and say

1558
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:56,880
okay the ufo phenomena is fascinating

1559
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:58,719
and there's something to it i don't

1560
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,159
really know what

1561
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,640
there's just a lot of problems in trying

1562
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,239
to shoehorn

1563
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:06,400
the extraterrestrial hypothesis

1564
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,440
as the sole answer for their provenance

1565
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,359
um but i think this audience i don't

1566
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,359
think we really need to describe what

1567
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,799
those issues are

1568
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,159
so

1569
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:18,400
jacques and my father and others and and

1570
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,480
i feel that an inter-dimensional

1571
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,759
origin

1572
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,679
would help explain some of the biggest

1573
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:27,679
issues with extraterrestrial with the

1574
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:29,600
extraterrestrial hypothesis

1575
01:09:32,669 --> 01:09:30,400
and

1576
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:32,679
once you start thinking about

1577
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:35,920
meta-terrestrial or inter-dimensional

1578
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,319
you you think less about the physical

1579
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,159
aspects like you said less

1580
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:42,480
crafts landing on the earth and you

1581
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:45,359
think more about who they are

1582
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:49,040
and why they're making content

1583
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:50,000
could

1584
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,159
they have been

1585
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:54,719
inter-dimensional all along but we

1586
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,600
didn't understand that 50 60 70 years

1587
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,679
ago

1588
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:01,199
yeah you know i think one of the things

1589
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:04,159
about the ufo phenomena like with many

1590
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,520
other phenomena

1591
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:07,920
is that people filter

1592
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:10,560
experiences through the lens of their

1593
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:12,640
contemporary society

1594
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:15,280
you know if you go back to the 1890s and

1595
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:18,159
you look at the reports of crafts they

1596
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:21,199
were like steampunk islands floating in

1597
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:22,640
the sky right

1598
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,000
uh you know victorian you know jalopy

1599
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:28,800
floating around wild west towns

1600
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:32,080
and so we don't know any better than to

1601
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,520
interpret things

1602
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,400
through the lens of of what we know now

1603
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:38,080
and so for me

1604
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:41,120
thinking more about where they come from

1605
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,120
as opposed to what they look like or

1606
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,960
what they do

1607
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:47,600
kind of frees me up to not be shackled

1608
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:48,880
to

1609
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,199
the contemporary culture filters that

1610
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:53,520
i'm just as vulnerable to as anybody

1611
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:54,320
else

1612
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:57,760
how many if if uh

1613
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,400
the number for me is infinite

1614
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:02,640
okay but

1615
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:06,000
what what's the number when we consider

1616
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,040
uh

1617
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:10,239
the amount of star systems in our milky

1618
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,040
way

1619
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,440
and the amount of planets that we didn't

1620
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:16,320
understand any of this uh in 1995 when

1621
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,800
the first exoplanet was was finally

1622
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,440
discovered and labeled and named that

1623
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:24,000
was just 25 26 years ago

1624
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,159
now the number is north of 40 billion

1625
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,000
earth-like planets

1626
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,840
just in our milky way

1627
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,600
and when we start to consider these

1628
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,000
kinds of numbers

1629
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:38,719
how many different civilizations do you

1630
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,480
think are aware of of planet earth

1631
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,560
you know that's a really good question i

1632
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,880
don't i don't presume to have anywhere

1633
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,120
near an answer but you know we have the

1634
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:51,199
drake equation which i know you know

1635
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:52,560
about which is

1636
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,199
a potential it's a sort of a formula to

1637
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:56,640
figure out

1638
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:00,560
the potential number of planets

1639
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:04,000
habit that could inhabit or could host

1640
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,920
life as we know it

1641
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,360
and that's millions and millions and

1642
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:09,360
millions and millions and millions

1643
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:10,159
right

1644
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,280
so

1645
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:13,199
and for me

1646
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,560
to think that there's not life elsewhere

1647
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:18,800
well that's a lot of overkill right

1648
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:19,840
you're going to make trillions and

1649
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,000
trillions of planets just to have life

1650
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,800
on one of them that seems kind of sloppy

1651
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,480
and inefficient and one of the things we

1652
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:28,960
learned with nature nature is brutally

1653
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:31,679
efficient there's no waste in nature

1654
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,199
so i think

1655
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:34,960
almost everybody agrees there's life

1656
01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:37,199
elsewhere now there's a big

1657
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:39,640
chasm between that and feeling that

1658
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,320
extraterrestrial life has come here how

1659
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,880
do they find us why do they care why do

1660
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,640
they scare farmer brown at night and

1661
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,400
take off etc

1662
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,880
but there's definitely life out there

1663
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,880
and so programs like steady that we're

1664
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,440
doing seth shostak and others

1665
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:58,080
beaming episodes of i love lucy whatever

1666
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,760
else we're beaming out there

1667
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:01,360
you know it's really only a matter of

1668
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:05,040
time before either nasa finds not

1669
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:08,800
evidence of likely prior life but finds

1670
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,040
an extant life or that we get signals or

1671
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:15,360
our signals are heard by somebody else

1672
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,880
and i would imagine it's probably within

1673
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:18,400
the next 10 years or so that we will

1674
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:21,920
have concrete proof of life elsewhere or

1675
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,000
life elsewhere visiting here

1676
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,880
it was interesting i i read some quotes

1677
01:13:33,550 --> 01:13:28,800
uh today

1678
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,560
um from albert einstein in 1920

1679
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,840
1920 paul

1680
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:37,760
he was a patent examiner then wasn't he

1681
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,000
yeah and he said this when marconi

1682
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,320
started to talk about radio signals

1683
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:46,400
coming from mars right

1684
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:49,760
and einstein was like well hey

1685
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:52,480
it's ignorant i'm paraphrasing to think

1686
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:55,199
that we're the only life out there

1687
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,760
there's got to be lots of it but

1688
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:59,520
i'm skeptical

1689
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:01,760
with them reaching out to us with radio

1690
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,800
signals

1691
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:05,120
that's no that's not efficient

1692
01:14:11,310 --> 01:14:08,159
they're going to do it with light

1693
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,320
and that was 1920

1694
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,880
1920

1695
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:14,880
that's pretty incredible that young

1696
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,480
albert einstein kid he's going to go and

1697
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:18,320
make a name for himself you mark my work

1698
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,960
he's a smart guy he's he's going he's

1699
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:23,040
going to do big things that albert that

1700
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:24,320
albert kid

1701
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:26,960
einstein boy yeah einstein boy

1702
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,560
um but but yeah and so

1703
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:32,159
today

1704
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:35,520
uh not only is this search going on

1705
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:38,960
but it's the civilian side of this that

1706
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,920
i think disclosure is going to come from

1707
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:43,199
it's not going to come from the white

1708
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,120
house i just don't see it happening that

1709
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:47,520
way or the department of defense it's

1710
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:48,800
going to be a

1711
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,400
civilian uh revelation

1712
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:53,679
yeah i think you're absolutely right

1713
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:54,800
jimmy um

1714
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,280
i think if and when

1715
01:15:01,350 --> 01:15:00,159
let's say the united states government

1716
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,360
does their

1717
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:03,600
quintessential

1718
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,640
you know climactic disclosure press

1719
01:15:11,350 --> 01:15:08,159
conference

1720
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:11,360
it will be met with a yawn

1721
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,600
from the half of the population that

1722
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,800
believes it

1723
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,960
and a shrug from the half that doesn't

1724
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,199
believe it you know disclosure is a much

1725
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,040
trickier business than it used to be you

1726
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,880
know 40 years ago

1727
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,719
if there's a landing on the white house

1728
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,520
lawn and walter cronkite is narrating it

1729
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,280
every single american believes in this

1730
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,320
gospel now no matter what government's

1731
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,640
in power half the population will not

1732
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:35,760
believe them

1733
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:36,640
and

1734
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,000
it's almost too late you know

1735
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,840
so many people believe

1736
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:43,520
in some form

1737
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,719
in the ufo phenomena in general

1738
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,080
that they don't really need the

1739
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,159
government to tell them anymore

1740
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,440
you know we've sort of ascended past

1741
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,840
the government and so for me

1742
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,920
i don't really follow you know i read

1743
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,600
that report and we talked about it a bit

1744
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:01,199
but i don't really follow like a whip

1745
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,239
saw

1746
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,960
the machinations of the us government to

1747
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,640
figure out what's going on with ufos

1748
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,080
anymore

1749
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:11,120
would you what would your father uh say

1750
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,800
today

1751
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,719
you know is this progress in the right

1752
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:16,880
direction would he be impressed

1753
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:20,560
uh with what is going on uh is this

1754
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:23,360
would this be an opportunity for him to

1755
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,719
you know be a ufo civil rights leader

1756
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,719
you know and and to step up and push

1757
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:30,080
this thing through

1758
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:32,000
what would his take be

1759
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,280
well i think the first thing i would say

1760
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:35,679
if if he was here right now he would he

1761
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:38,640
would speaking about me he'd say okay

1762
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:41,040
good job bozo now i've got it i'll take

1763
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,719
over right um and then i think he would

1764
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:47,280
be i think he would be gratified

1765
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,880
one that

1766
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,880
close encounters the

1767
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:53,360
the uh classification system that he

1768
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:56,320
came up with is still widely used as

1769
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,320
sort of a scientific rubric to help uh

1770
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:03,120
make sense of this enigmatic phenomena

1771
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:04,560
so i think he would find that very

1772
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,600
fulfilling

1773
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,360
and he would look at

1774
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:09,840
the widespread acceptance in the

1775
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,080
population of the

1776
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:14,719
notion of a ufo phenomena and then he'd

1777
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:17,280
be fascinated by the government by the

1778
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,920
navy and now the pentagon's saying you

1779
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:21,679
know the navy it came out and said we

1780
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:23,679
are afraid for our aviator this was

1781
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:25,679
before the report this summer

1782
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:28,400
here with the tic tac sightings

1783
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,960
you know the air force never would say

1784
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:33,600
that because it's the air force's job

1785
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:37,199
to protect us from threats from the air

1786
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:39,760
to project power through the air but

1787
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:42,560
also to create the perception that we

1788
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:43,760
are safe

1789
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,719
from enemies coming through the air so

1790
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:48,640
it you can't imagine the air force

1791
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:49,440
saying

1792
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:51,679
yeah boy oh boy there's a lot of ufos

1793
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:53,120
out there we don't know what to do and

1794
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,320
we're afraid

1795
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,159
i think it's almost like a little bit of

1796
01:18:01,750 --> 01:17:58,719
an indirect poke at the air force that

1797
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,760
the navy whose purview is not the air

1798
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,600
but the sea says

1799
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,760
there's a lot of stuff going on in that

1800
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:07,600
air up there and we don't know what it

1801
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,480
is

1802
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,719
right but my father would find that

1803
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:12,480
unbelievable

1804
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:15,600
as a open public stance and posture

1805
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:17,520
compared to that of the air force in his

1806
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:18,480
deck

1807
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:22,400
now why why the why literally the sea

1808
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,840
change

1809
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:25,440
you know

1810
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:27,199
i mean why

1811
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:28,400
how

1812
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,239
i mean the air force can definitely say

1813
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,960
look we shut down blue book in 69 we're

1814
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:36,080
out

1815
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:39,199
okay so they can they can uh develop

1816
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:40,960
that position today

1817
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:44,000
and have history there to back them up

1818
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:46,960
but clearly these investigations have

1819
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:48,800
continued

1820
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:51,280
why would the air force choose today i

1821
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:53,360
know what you just said now but why

1822
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,120
would they choose

1823
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:57,280
to let the navy

1824
01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:00,080
run with this

1825
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:01,360
you know

1826
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,120
i don't know

1827
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:05,600
that there was any allowing or choosing

1828
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,000
or deference or partnership i don't know

1829
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:10,239
that the the people in the navy like the

1830
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,679
people in the air force who are

1831
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:14,000
responsible for this they may have a big

1832
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:15,199
turf battle

1833
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,320
and i think

1834
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,800
that in the navy because it's not really

1835
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:20,560
their responsibility for things in the

1836
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:21,600
sky

1837
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:24,239
they may have felt a little freer and of

1838
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:26,000
course it's part of public knowledge

1839
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:28,239
that chris chris mellon helped force

1840
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:29,600
their hand

1841
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:32,320
and they came out and said you know

1842
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:34,400
our primary concern like kevin day my

1843
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,640
friend talks about is the safety of the

1844
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:38,400
naval aviators

1845
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:39,199
so

1846
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,719
many sightings

1847
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:44,880
that there was so much

1848
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:46,239
bubbled up

1849
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:47,199
um

1850
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:50,080
consensus maybe inarticulated amongst

1851
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,199
the navy

1852
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,280
that the zeitgeist was look we've got to

1853
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:55,600
go out and and get something out there

1854
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:57,520
and then you know chris was able to sort

1855
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:58,560
of

1856
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,159
push the right levers in the right

1857
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,080
sequence to get the various organs of

1858
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,800
government to force out the tic tac

1859
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:05,760
video

1860
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:09,120
in the new uh intelligence budget uh and

1861
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,960
those pages that are there are

1862
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:12,560
fascinating read

1863
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:14,639
uh those five pages and what they have

1864
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:15,840
pointed out

1865
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:18,880
uh as to the goals for 2022

1866
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:21,040
and ufos and uaps

1867
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:25,840
um but one of the things that is clear

1868
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:29,040
in this is that the secretary of defense

1869
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,120
is going to

1870
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:33,679
force all branches of the military under

1871
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:34,639
law

1872
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:37,840
uh to report that's all branches

1873
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:38,719
and

1874
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:41,280
when you see that kind of verbiage paul

1875
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:43,199
does that indicate to you

1876
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,040
a frustration uh by uh

1877
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,120
you know the secretary of defense uh the

1878
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,360
joint chiefs and the lack of

1879
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:54,000
communication between the five branches

1880
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:57,199
of the military and what probably is one

1881
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,480
of the most sensitive subjects

1882
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:03,120
certainly and you know another

1883
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:04,800
undercurrent here

1884
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:07,280
that i learned from jacques

1885
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,480
is that

1886
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,159
you know we tend to think of

1887
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,719
levels of secrecy like secret top secret

1888
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:15,360
super duper top secret etc

1889
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:17,360
but there are actually three different

1890
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,560
silos

1891
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,080
of information and i know you're aware

1892
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:21,840
of this so you have three sellers you've

1893
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:24,719
got sort of count foreign espionage

1894
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,960
you've got the white house

1895
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:28,960
type secrets and then you have the

1896
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:31,760
nuclear secrets and the nuclear secrets

1897
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,000
are important because if we go back to

1898
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:36,239
1940s new mexico

1899
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:39,440
roswell and san antonio and other cases

1900
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,239
of reported crashed saucers or craft

1901
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:46,159
near the white sands nuclear missile

1902
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:47,440
testing ground

1903
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,480
it was the purview of the atomic energy

1904
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:52,800
commission to go and get those they took

1905
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:54,880
over they their authority superseded

1906
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:57,760
everybody else so if there was a craft

1907
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:59,840
in roswell if there was a craft in san

1908
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:02,239
antonio as many people believe and i've

1909
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,159
been to that landing site with jacques

1910
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:06,719
and paula it would be the atomic energy

1911
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:09,840
commission and its successor agency the

1912
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,480
current nuclear regulatory commission

1913
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,560
that would have those secrets

1914
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:16,480
and they are not

1915
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:17,679
subject

1916
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:20,880
to freedom of information act requests

1917
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,239
or

1918
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,480
us you know you know american president

1919
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,199
demands to release that information

1920
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:30,000
so the the air force could be frustrated

1921
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,840
because they know that the nuclear

1922
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,080
regulatory commission has information

1923
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:37,040
and which they will not release to any

1924
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,280
other government agency

1925
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:42,320
and i find that fascinating now uh could

1926
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,840
it be

1927
01:22:47,070 --> 01:22:45,920
that uh

1928
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,080
uh those

1929
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:49,679
144 uh

1930
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:51,520
cases that were

1931
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,440
a part of the uap task force report

1932
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:58,080
could it be that those 144 cases were

1933
01:23:03,110 --> 01:22:59,760
only navy

1934
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:03,120
and when the secretary of defense looks

1935
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:04,560
at that

1936
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:07,520
and says this this is impossible you

1937
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:09,760
know certainly the air force has got

1938
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:11,760
stuff to report here

1939
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:14,719
and the air force is not talking

1940
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:16,719
do you think that that is a possibility

1941
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:19,040
because right now everything that we

1942
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:20,880
know

1943
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,280
that has been disclosed and leaked has

1944
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:25,199
been exclusively

1945
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:31,030
you say you think the air force is

1946
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:33,360
jealous of the navy's newfound ufo

1947
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:33,970
limelight

1948
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:36,960
[Laughter]

1949
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:39,760
well i wasn't gonna go quite that far

1950
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,639
but

1951
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,560
right

1952
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,719
you know i think there's a lot beyond

1953
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:46,400
just the you know the football games

1954
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,560
they play i think there's a lot of

1955
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:50,800
um competition i think it always has

1956
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:54,159
been between the agencies for press b's

1957
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:57,679
for budget etc so why would ufos

1958
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,639
not pose yet a new battleground for them

1959
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,560
to you know have at it with each other

1960
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,639
now let's say let's stay on this for a

1961
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,480
second because you bring up a fantastic

1962
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,679
point

1963
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:08,960
um

1964
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,000
uh

1965
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:12,000
the director of national intelligence

1966
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:15,280
dni dia department of defense this

1967
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:16,960
report and

1968
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:19,760
the the uap task force

1969
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:22,639
and uh the memo that was written also on

1970
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:25,280
june 25th the directorate that came out

1971
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,280
asking for all reports uh to happen

1972
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:29,360
within two weeks of a sighting

1973
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:30,400
um

1974
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,840
uh that everything was reached out to

1975
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:35,760
all of the agencies all of the branches

1976
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,280
of the military

1977
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:39,040
um uh

1978
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:40,159
for

1979
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:41,280
uh the

1980
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:42,480
the

1981
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,280
uh

1982
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:45,920
point person that would be what did they

1983
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:49,840
call it a gs 13 or kernel or above right

1984
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:53,600
at that ranking to come back and report

1985
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:54,480
now

1986
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,360
uh

1987
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:58,080
nsa nro

1988
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,870
the air force office of intelligence

1989
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,040
all of that seems simple

1990
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,440
but what about the department of energy

1991
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:11,280
where

1992
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:16,639
department of energy

1993
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:19,679
would the secretary of defense

1994
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,400
have the authority to put pressure on

1995
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:25,040
the department of energy to share uh

1996
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:27,360
information with all the other agencies

1997
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:30,719
and report back to the uap task force

1998
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:33,600
you'd certainly hope not right i mean

1999
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:35,760
why should the military

2000
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,800
command the um

2001
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:41,360
the activities of a civilian government

2002
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:42,800
agency

2003
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,920
now

2004
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:45,040
what i would think is that there would

2005
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,520
be back channels and informal you know

2006
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,960
relationships

2007
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:50,719
along whose lines that information would

2008
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:51,920
be shared but

2009
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:54,000
you know the department of energy was

2010
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:56,000
not one of the listed participating

2011
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,520
energies in that report and an even

2012
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:01,440
bigger omission to me

2013
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:03,360
that's not listed

2014
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,159
you know you've got the fbi and the nsa

2015
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:08,800
all the branches of the military darpa

2016
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:11,040
directory of national intelligence

2017
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:13,840
but the one three-letter agency from

2018
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:16,880
langley is not there and that's the cia

2019
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:19,280
and that's the one government agency

2020
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:22,000
that has shown in documents the most

2021
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,639
interest in ufos since the 40s well

2022
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:26,560
since their creation

2023
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,990
and yet the cia who put on the robertson

2024
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,760
panel who was behind the condom

2025
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:37,679
committee which is the official

2026
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:40,080
academic blessing to shut down project

2027
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,480
blue book in 1969

2028
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:44,880
the cia is not listed here

2029
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:46,880
so does that mean

2030
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:49,760
that they were not consulted clearly

2031
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:51,760
they were consulted does it mean they

2032
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,840
took their ball and went home probably

2033
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,080
the uh

2034
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,320
the design of that kind of

2035
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:01,840
infrastructure

2036
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:03,040
to

2037
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:07,280
shelf

2038
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:10,239
uh information like this seems to be

2039
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:12,880
just about perfect right because

2040
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:14,960
that's a veil you're not gonna pierce

2041
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,600
and you're not gonna be able to get into

2042
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:19,679
the department of energy

2043
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,480
and it is completely away from all of

2044
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:24,560
the usual suspects where people will go

2045
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:28,550
absolutely

2046
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:29,440
um

2047
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:31,199
it's the the

2048
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:35,199
tradition of of silos and lead curtains

2049
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:37,679
you know writ large

2050
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:45,030
a flow chart of uh the the nuclear

2051
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,000
regulatory commission and uh

2052
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:49,840
that's uh that's pretty interesting i'm

2053
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,560
gonna i'm gonna pull this up

2054
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,120
later the usnrc

2055
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:57,280
i wanna look at these names i wanna see

2056
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:59,120
who is actually there thank you for that

2057
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:00,719
kaz i will

2058
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:02,639
uh i will look at this a little bit

2059
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:04,639
closer before

2060
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:06,239
yeah do you see that one box that says

2061
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,880
secret ufo department

2062
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:11,040
no i can't blow it up on my screen you

2063
01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:12,800
got that there

2064
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,239
no because i won't show that to you

2065
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:16,639
that's the secret one

2066
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:17,360
i

2067
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,840
um

2068
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,280
but you know i wouldn't doubt that

2069
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:29,040
though and

2070
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:31,679
uh the frustration that and you know

2071
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:33,040
think about

2072
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:35,920
a sitting president you know coming in

2073
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:38,000
with both guns blazing first day in

2074
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:40,239
office and they want to get to uh

2075
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,760
you know they want to get to the body

2076
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:43,920
parts at wright patterson

2077
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:45,040
and

2078
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:46,080
just

2079
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:47,920
making those phone calls

2080
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:51,280
uh to agencies that have no clue

2081
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,960
um or

2082
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:54,400
the president doesn't have a need to

2083
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:55,600
know but he's going in the wrong

2084
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:56,639
direction

2085
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,480
that it would probably be after the

2086
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:00,719
break i've got a great story about body

2087
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:03,600
parts at right pat for you

2088
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:04,960
what

2089
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:07,600
wait a minute did you i think you told

2090
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:10,560
okay hold on a minute does it involve a

2091
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:14,070
uh

2092
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:15,440
sure i can toss the car in there if you

2093
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:17,199
want no we're

2094
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:18,880
were you

2095
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:26,550
okay okay

2096
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:28,400
uh because you i believe you told me

2097
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:30,480
another story okay anyway we'll do that

2098
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:31,920
when we come back

2099
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:34,639
and i'm also going to swing back to well

2100
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:37,360
first off is this the new blue book but

2101
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:39,760
the inter-dimensional aspect to all of

2102
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:41,199
this is something that needs to be

2103
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:43,199
discussed further we're going to do all

2104
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,639
of that with paul heineck after this

2105
01:29:49,390 --> 01:29:46,880
short break i'm yours timmy church this

2106
01:30:01,520 --> 01:29:49,400
is fade to black stay with us

2107
01:30:01,530 --> 01:30:11,830
[Music]

2108
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:15,030
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2109
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:18,080
you're listening to fade to black

2110
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:19,920
always on the edge of the hottest

2111
01:30:25,860 --> 01:30:22,639
alternative talk jimmy church with fade

2112
01:30:25,870 --> 01:30:31,070
[Applause]

2113
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:38,070
black radio

2114
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:39,750
when you think about the future of our

2115
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:41,520
country and where we're headed do you

2116
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:44,639
wonder about the food supply i do

2117
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:46,480
disruptions in the food supply chain

2118
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:48,800
could be disastrous and they usually

2119
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,520
occur with little warning that's why the

2120
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:53,600
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2121
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:56,960
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2122
01:31:01,990 --> 01:30:59,840
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2123
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2124
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2125
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2126
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2127
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2128
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2129
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2130
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2131
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2132
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:26,639
doesn't it especially now so go to

2133
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:29,600
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2134
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:32,880
that's prepare with jimmy.com there's no

2135
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:36,719
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2136
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2148
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2149
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:11,199
you listen to us and we listen to you

2150
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:13,120
and so does the cia

2151
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:19,430
you are listening to fate to black with

2152
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:26,709
hi i'm lisa vance you're listening to

2153
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:29,679
jimmy church this is revolution the

2154
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:32,480
revolution will not be televised the

2155
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:35,760
revolution is on radio

2156
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:14,460
[Music]

2157
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:20,550
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

2158
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:22,480
jimmy church tonight paul heineck is

2159
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:25,040
with us love it when paul is on the show

2160
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:27,679
and this is the thing

2161
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:30,000
so funny paul i'll go see jimmy what do

2162
01:33:33,180 --> 01:33:32,320
you want to talk about said nothing

2163
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:33,190
cool

2164
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:34,320
[Music]

2165
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:35,520
we could just

2166
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:38,000
just go anywhere and and what happens

2167
01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:39,600
right before the break

2168
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:41,679
uh paul hits me with

2169
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:44,080
i got a story about body parts and and

2170
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:46,880
and right pat and i'm i'm all ears man

2171
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:50,000
i'm all ears if the if the cia wasn't

2172
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:52,480
running interference on the show

2173
01:33:56,470 --> 01:33:55,440
they will be after this i am sure of

2174
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:56,480
that

2175
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,480
all right what you got what happened

2176
01:34:01,590 --> 01:34:00,800
what year all right oh were you uh were

2177
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:01,600
you

2178
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,719
wait

2179
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:07,120
were you born and raised in chicago

2180
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:09,760
i was sir uh what part of what part of

2181
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:10,960
chicago

2182
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:13,280
evanston evanston

2183
01:34:21,070 --> 01:34:15,040
and uh

2184
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:24,390
1985 yeah kind of kind of like my story

2185
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:26,320
too plus we're the same age

2186
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:28,719
you know i was born in great lakes naval

2187
01:34:34,229 --> 01:34:32,870
you know where that is that's right

2188
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:34,239
waukegan

2189
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:36,400
roots that's like in glenview right uh

2190
01:34:41,270 --> 01:34:38,239
waukegan yeah

2191
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:41,280
right right yeah north chicago okay

2192
01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:42,560
uh

2193
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:45,199
where were we oh yeah body parts right

2194
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:47,199
pat okay

2195
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:48,320
right so

2196
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:49,679
um

2197
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:51,600
during the time of the tv show project

2198
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:52,800
blue book

2199
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:54,080
um

2200
01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:55,679
i met

2201
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:57,679
lieutenant colonel robert friend who was

2202
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,480
the last surviving air force director of

2203
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:02,400
project blue book

2204
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,719
and this guy was a bona fide american

2205
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:06,800
hero in addition to project blue book he

2206
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:08,880
worked on the space shuttle and i think

2207
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:12,639
he flew like 150 combat missions as a

2208
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:15,280
tuskegee airman wow

2209
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:18,000
this is american hero and he was in his

2210
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:19,280
90s

2211
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:20,239
and

2212
01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:22,719
of the directors of project blue book he

2213
01:35:26,709 --> 01:35:24,560
was my father's favorite because he was

2214
01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:26,719
an honest and good man and they became

2215
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:29,679
very good friends and

2216
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:30,880
so

2217
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:33,199
we're talking with him and you know they

2218
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:34,960
were filming us for some b-roll and

2219
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:37,280
filming lieutenant colonel friend

2220
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:39,040
and they asked him

2221
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:41,840
were alien bodies ever taken to

2222
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:44,239
wright-patterson air force base

2223
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:46,239
now this is a guy

2224
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:48,400
who clearly took oaths

2225
01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:51,760
that he obeyed the rest of his life

2226
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:53,280
but he

2227
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:55,360
he was asked that question

2228
01:35:57,910 --> 01:35:56,960
were alien bodies ever taken the right

2229
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:57,920
path

2230
01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:00,000
and he there's this kind of sparkle in

2231
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:02,159
his eye he goes no

2232
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:03,920
alien bodies

2233
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:05,440
wouldn't have been taken the right path

2234
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:07,600
right pat was a mechanic base they would

2235
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:09,840
have been taken to fort hood in texas

2236
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:12,560
which is a burn center

2237
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:13,360
now

2238
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,920
the spirit of the question was

2239
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:17,520
okay i don't really care did you see

2240
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:18,960
alien bodies that's what really what

2241
01:36:23,109 --> 01:36:21,520
someone wants to know right but because

2242
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:23,119
he took oaths

2243
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:25,920
he is not going to tell you but if you

2244
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:28,880
look at how he carried himself he's

2245
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:30,880
trying to tell you something

2246
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:33,119
and something else i saw

2247
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:35,679
i was with him on his 99th birthday

2248
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:37,600
party

2249
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:40,480
right with david o'leary the creator of

2250
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,400
project blue book and arturo ontario who

2251
01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:44,400
was the network executive time

2252
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:47,679
and on his 99th birthday party i go over

2253
01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:49,119
to him and i'm talking with him and i

2254
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:52,239
tell him a joke about george burns who

2255
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:55,199
is famous to have wanted to live to be a

2256
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:57,199
hundred years old

2257
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:58,960
and a woman comes up to george burns and

2258
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:01,119
says but mr burns

2259
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:04,159
who really wants to live to be a hundred

2260
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:05,360
years old

2261
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:07,679
so george burns takes that beef that

2262
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:10,560
sort of rye grin takes a puff on a cigar

2263
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:11,600
and he says

2264
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,400
someone who's 99.

2265
01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:17,040
and i told that to robert friend on his

2266
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:19,760
99th birthday and i kind of warmed them

2267
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:20,400
up

2268
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,639
and then when no one's looking i lean

2269
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:24,560
over to him and i whisper lieutenant

2270
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:25,920
colonel friend

2271
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:28,320
i am your buddy's son

2272
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:30,159
you can tell me

2273
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:34,880
did you ever see anything convincing

2274
01:37:41,669 --> 01:37:38,239
he looks to both sides

2275
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,679
i see this huge twinkle in his eye and

2276
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:43,679
he leans over to me and he says

2277
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:48,790
and i thought okay

2278
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,400
that is one of the best confessions or

2279
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,800
disclosures i could ever get in my whole

2280
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,920
life

2281
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:57,040
and

2282
01:38:01,430 --> 01:37:59,280
we were arranging to go see him at his

2283
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:01,440
house several months later

2284
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:03,600
and he passed away

2285
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:07,040
99 years old and uh

2286
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:09,440
a couple of things about uh robert

2287
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:10,639
friend

2288
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:14,880
uh two distinguished flying cross awards

2289
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:16,560
uh medals

2290
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:19,040
bronze star

2291
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:22,080
us army presidential unit citation

2292
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:23,280
ribbon

2293
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:27,040
three army distinguished service medals

2294
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,480
and the air medal and the congressional

2295
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,400
gold medal

2296
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:35,040
uh yeah he was a slacker yeah

2297
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:37,600
yeah uh it just makes you you know what

2298
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:40,960
did you do with your life lately paul

2299
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:43,520
yeah i don't have all that kind of

2300
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:45,920
military bling uh i mean he really like

2301
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:48,159
i said he was a true american hero in

2302
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:50,320
every sense of the word yeah yeah and

2303
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,440
and quite the dashing young man too

2304
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:54,719
uh oh yeah

2305
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:56,960
um but uh

2306
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,440
it says here he's quoted

2307
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,440
uh that he believed in the possibility

2308
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:03,199
of life uh

2309
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:04,960
and extraterrestrial life in the

2310
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:07,119
universe of course he led the air force

2311
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:10,000
study on ufos 1952 the united states air

2312
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:11,600
force started the classified study

2313
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:13,840
called project blue book the project was

2314
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:16,400
shut down in 69 even though 701

2315
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:18,480
documented incidents

2316
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:22,000
remain a mystery but he was a believer

2317
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:25,040
in extraterrestrial life

2318
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:26,639
yeah and you know

2319
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:29,600
he would kind of hint at things but he

2320
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:31,199
wouldn't come out and say that because

2321
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,600
he was an american patriot and he swore

2322
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:35,600
that he would not do that

2323
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,760
but i i think had we been able to go

2324
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:39,119
over to his house

2325
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:40,719
i think um

2326
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:42,960
with the eight bottles of scotch i had

2327
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:45,119
in tow i think we could have

2328
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:47,360
gotten a little bit more a disposer that

2329
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,800
day yeah no doubt no doubt now

2330
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,320
um

2331
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:55,280
with you know somebody like robert and

2332
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:58,639
what was going on he led blue book

2333
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,840
uh like uh during the kennedy era if my

2334
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:03,440
memory serves me

2335
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:05,360
correctly i could be wrong

2336
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:08,800
um but uh during that time

2337
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,760
the focus was definitely on

2338
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,280
little green men

2339
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:15,760
you know piloting craft

2340
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:18,239
uh was was that his take

2341
01:40:22,750 --> 01:40:21,119
uh was the inter-dimensional faster than

2342
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:22,760
light travel

2343
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:24,639
hyperverse

2344
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:27,280
uh ever a consideration

2345
01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:30,080
for somebody like friend or or the air

2346
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:31,840
force back then

2347
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:34,159
well you know they approached the world

2348
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:35,600
from a very different point of view than

2349
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:38,400
my father you know of the five or maybe

2350
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:40,880
six directors of project blue book from

2351
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,560
the air force side

2352
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:44,719
bob friend was the very best that you

2353
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:47,679
could expect um he was smart he was

2354
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:50,400
honest he was a nice guy

2355
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:52,960
and and a patriot

2356
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,040
now that said

2357
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:57,440
when he and my father go to investigate

2358
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:58,800
a case

2359
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:00,480
they're both going to have they're going

2360
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:03,840
to take that first same step which is is

2361
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,560
this legitimate or not is this a hoax is

2362
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:08,800
this a misidentification of the planet

2363
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:09,760
venus

2364
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:12,480
is it swamp gas whatever else

2365
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:15,360
or is it something that we can't explain

2366
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,320
away

2367
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:18,480
and is it intriguing enough to

2368
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:20,719
investigate further

2369
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,199
that first step they're in lockstep but

2370
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:25,360
that's the very next step they're

2371
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,080
already going to to go down different

2372
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:30,560
paths my father is going to proceed as a

2373
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,280
scientist to say what can i understand

2374
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,679
about this what can i examine

2375
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:37,600
what can i replicate what can i

2376
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:38,960
corroborate

2377
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,360
whereas lieutenant colonel friend would

2378
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:43,199
already be thinking

2379
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,280
does this pose a threat to national

2380
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:47,600
security that's his job

2381
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:49,360
so they're not going to be going down

2382
01:41:51,669 --> 01:41:50,719
the same track

2383
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:51,679
after

2384
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,080
first coming to the conclusion that

2385
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,480
there is something there there

2386
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,239
now what is

2387
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:00,639
what is the threat

2388
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:05,280
the threat that they can

2389
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:07,280
come and go as they please is that a

2390
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:08,400
threat

2391
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,440
or has some is

2392
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:13,520
somebody been shooting plasma cab

2393
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,880
cannons

2394
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:16,560
you know and and we just haven't been

2395
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:18,400
aware of it i i don't understand what

2396
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:20,800
the threat is

2397
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,840
i thought you weren't going to talk

2398
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:24,239
about my plasma cannons yeah

2399
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:25,199
well

2400
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:29,440
and and and this is this is the deal um

2401
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:34,320
i'm not so sure that i understand

2402
01:42:39,270 --> 01:42:37,199
what the threat is and and why put the

2403
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:39,280
fear into everything unless it's just

2404
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:40,080
for

2405
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:43,280
military budget and expenditures and

2406
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,199
well fear is a really good um it's a

2407
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:49,840
great tactical weapon

2408
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:52,719
to keep you know the importance of your

2409
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:54,639
agency which is translated as you said

2410
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,480
with budget right uh hey there's

2411
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,920
something going on here we need some

2412
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:59,440
money and we'll take care of it don't

2413
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:00,560
worry about it

2414
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:03,119
but you know if

2415
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:04,880
let's say meta-terrestrials either

2416
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:07,600
extraterrestrials or inter-dimensionals

2417
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:10,320
or the chinese or the russians right

2418
01:43:12,669 --> 01:43:12,000
we're coming here

2419
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:12,679
with

2420
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:14,239
overwhelming

2421
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:17,440
technological superiority as seems to be

2422
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:20,480
evidenced in many of the cases

2423
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:22,960
if they came with truly hostile

2424
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:25,840
intentions it's like if you go into an

2425
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:28,480
alley and you see two dogs interacting

2426
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,080
if you have to say

2427
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:32,320
are they playing or fighting well you

2428
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:33,920
know they're playing because if you see

2429
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:36,000
two dogs fighting you never wonder what

2430
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,199
they're doing

2431
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:39,440
if aliens came here

2432
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:42,000
and they really wanted to turn us into

2433
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,040
batteries ala matrix take the gold take

2434
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:48,080
the water enslave us kill us all off

2435
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:51,119
they would have done it in five minutes

2436
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:53,360
so if they're coming here

2437
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,199
there is not a threat of destruction

2438
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:59,760
but there is this sort of

2439
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:01,199
incoherent

2440
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:03,600
yet palpable threat

2441
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:06,400
of overwhelming superiority

2442
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:08,800
and they can do what with they can do

2443
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:11,040
with us what they will that's still

2444
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:15,520
pretty scary uh for anybody but luckily

2445
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:18,159
given the many encounters or reports of

2446
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,239
encounters that we've had they've not

2447
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:22,960
really done anything hostile at all

2448
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:26,239
well okay and and who would know more

2449
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:27,280
about

2450
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:29,679
that kind of attitude than the united

2451
01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:30,800
states

2452
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:32,000
where

2453
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:38,239
uh dominating the air spaces

2454
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:41,440
we have stealth bombers stealth fighters

2455
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:44,639
that no country can see coming

2456
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:48,239
right we have uh air airspace

2457
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:49,760
superiority

2458
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:51,920
over the planet

2459
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,880
and now we're upset because somebody is

2460
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:56,480
one-upping us

2461
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:59,280
and it may be extraterrestrial so now

2462
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:00,719
we're going to call that a threat well

2463
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,639
the rest of the planet has been seeing a

2464
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:04,800
pretty serious threat for a very long

2465
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:06,320
time then

2466
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:08,960
with a a much worse threat because we're

2467
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:10,719
unstable right and

2468
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:13,600
we have whims and caprices of humans

2469
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:16,560
um and now we're upstaged so it's a

2470
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:18,960
little bit scary for us perhaps

2471
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:20,080
um

2472
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,199
but it's it's really hard to understand

2473
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:25,920
the motivation of these entities

2474
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:28,320
wherever they're from or whenever

2475
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:30,639
they're from it's just it's just beyond

2476
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:32,960
us to have figured it out so far

2477
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:34,159
and i don't think it's going to be that

2478
01:45:37,990 --> 01:45:36,000
are the us government that tells us what

2479
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:38,000
it is

2480
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:42,000
again um i think the threat is

2481
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,119
is it almost existential right is it

2482
01:45:50,910 --> 01:45:47,280
something that is more

2483
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:50,920
uh unseen and unknown and

2484
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:52,960
uncontrollable and

2485
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:55,360
unbearable you know all the unwords

2486
01:45:59,669 --> 01:45:56,840
right is it

2487
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:59,679
something is it something like that that

2488
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:00,880
meant that

2489
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:02,960
that is upsetting us

2490
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:04,880
it certainly can't be because we're

2491
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,719
getting shot at you know it's got to be

2492
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:08,320
something else

2493
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:10,239
right um because if we're being shot at

2494
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:11,679
it seems like they got pretty bad aim

2495
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,480
right um exactly so

2496
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:16,639
uh you know we we did an episode you and

2497
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:19,360
i about artificial intelligence and

2498
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:21,760
artificial intelligence is one of i

2499
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:24,400
would say there's at least two

2500
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:26,639
forms of technology

2501
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:27,760
that

2502
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:31,679
if mastered by one nation state or

2503
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:33,520
terrorist group or

2504
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:36,080
you know individual in the basement

2505
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:37,760
would provide

2506
01:46:43,669 --> 01:46:40,480
overwhelming permanent

2507
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:43,679
you know uh superiority and control over

2508
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:46,000
anybody else one of them is ai

2509
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:49,600
if you get a qualitative advantage in ai

2510
01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:52,560
i don't care how many battleships and

2511
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:54,880
uh airplanes and jets

2512
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:58,159
my enemy has they're now they all now

2513
01:47:03,270 --> 01:47:00,800
belong to me all your base belong to me

2514
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:03,280
right in the parlance of video games

2515
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:05,760
i will use all of your technology

2516
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:08,320
against yourself immediately so ai is

2517
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:11,040
one of them the other one is if you

2518
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:13,520
capture a flying saucer

2519
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:15,440
and meaningfully

2520
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:18,080
reverse engineer it or understand it or

2521
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:20,560
harness it that's another game over

2522
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:23,440
scenario and to me those are the top two

2523
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:25,920
that if you get control over that's it

2524
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:28,159
you win you get all the monopoly money

2525
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:30,000
everyone else can go home

2526
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:32,159
and so i think part of this like you

2527
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:34,400
said existential threat

2528
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:36,719
even though it's not made manifest all

2529
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:39,360
the time is this notion that

2530
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:42,239
somebody's flying around almost like

2531
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:43,840
taunting us

2532
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:46,719
and why are they doing it and if they

2533
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:49,199
can do it they can do things that we

2534
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:51,199
simply cannot they're crafts like even

2535
01:47:55,750 --> 01:47:53,679
in these videos that we see

2536
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:55,760
there can't be a sentient being in there

2537
01:48:01,270 --> 01:47:58,480
because of like the 30 g force that they

2538
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:01,280
would suffer so it's some kind of

2539
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:02,800
you know uh

2540
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:05,600
robot or remote controlled super

2541
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:07,440
interstellar drone

2542
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,760
and if they can do that what can't they

2543
01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:11,440
do that's i think what the threat is

2544
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:13,840
that we're seeing glimpses

2545
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:16,480
of a culture or cultures that are so far

2546
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:19,119
beyond us that all we know

2547
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:21,040
is that they could do what anything they

2548
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:22,960
do anything they wanted to us at any

2549
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:23,920
time

2550
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:24,719
so

2551
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:27,520
the threat is we are not in control

2552
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:29,119
and we don't like it

2553
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:30,000
so we

2554
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:34,320
um and now

2555
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:36,400
there is um i want to go a circle back

2556
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:38,080
to jacques valet because of the point

2557
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:39,920
that you just raised

2558
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:42,639
um jacques valet said on this show that

2559
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:45,119
you're probably aware of this

2560
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:48,159
um uh probably uh three four five years

2561
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:51,679
ago but he said on this show

2562
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,040
we have

2563
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:55,760
crashed retrievals

2564
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:57,520
our government has this

2565
01:49:02,310 --> 01:48:59,679
and i remember at the time it just kind

2566
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:02,320
of blew past me paul

2567
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:04,719
i'm trying to stay on top of jacques and

2568
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:07,119
his statements and i'm and i'm focused

2569
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:09,920
and sometimes he says these things

2570
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:12,400
you know with that french accent

2571
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:16,159
and and it just it blows past you right

2572
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:19,040
and i remember uh i circled back and and

2573
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:20,480
i think it was on the show the next

2574
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:22,800
night was like did you say

2575
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:25,280
right and then of course

2576
01:49:29,109 --> 01:49:26,480
people started talking about the

2577
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:29,119
statement that shock had made

2578
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:30,159
now

2579
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,520
i have always believed that

2580
01:49:37,589 --> 01:49:35,280
jacques is in the know

2581
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:37,599
i i just feel that i just feel that he's

2582
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:40,320
kept his cards close to his chest but

2583
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:42,719
he's let a few nuggets like that slip

2584
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:44,960
out over the years right

2585
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:47,040
that combined with because you're

2586
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:48,400
talking about it right now backwards

2587
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:50,239
engineering right and and getting that

2588
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:51,360
knowledge

2589
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:53,360
well jacques made that statement but

2590
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,360
there's something else

2591
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:57,760
that jacques has been talking about for

2592
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:02,239
30 40 50 years that we just didn't grasp

2593
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:03,840
back in the day

2594
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:06,320
and that is

2595
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:09,440
we focus too much on the nuts and bolts

2596
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:11,199
i should speak in a french accent

2597
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:13,280
because i i actually do a pretty good

2598
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:17,599
shock valet i might add but is this

2599
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,800
we need to look in another direction

2600
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:22,880
we need to look at the inter-dimensional

2601
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:26,239
aspect of this he's been saying this

2602
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:28,639
for like 45 books

2603
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,920
right

2604
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:31,760
yeah and you know he's got the great

2605
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:32,800
quote

2606
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,840
that if when the dust settles

2607
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,400
the ufo phenomena is only

2608
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:39,920
extraterrestrial

2609
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:42,480
i'm going to be pretty disappointed

2610
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:45,119
right and that sums it up so nicely

2611
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:47,840
and and and he's been saying this for so

2612
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:49,040
long

2613
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:50,000
and

2614
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:54,159
now either he's a prophet right

2615
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:56,159
and he can predict the future

2616
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:58,719
but that is certainly where uh the

2617
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:01,360
evidence has been pointing

2618
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:02,400
uh

2619
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:05,599
true or north as the days go by and

2620
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:07,920
that's where we are at today

2621
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:09,920
but he's been yelling this for the roof

2622
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:13,679
from the rooftops for 40 to 50 years now

2623
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:15,199
and jimmy i just got a text from my

2624
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,199
brother joel who's a brilliant

2625
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:19,440
oscar-winning visual effects supervisor

2626
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,560
and engineer

2627
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:22,400
and also like me

2628
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:24,880
steeped in the ufo phenomena and he's

2629
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:29,040
taking issue with my point about how

2630
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:32,560
these ships would have you know like 30

2631
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:36,080
g forces and what joel is saying

2632
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:39,840
is that if you take control of gravity

2633
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:42,400
you can accelerate at any rate and not

2634
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:44,880
feel the acceleration

2635
01:51:48,149 --> 01:51:45,920
so

2636
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:48,159
if you have these ships darting around

2637
01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:49,840
at right angles

2638
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:52,000
and doing these kind of cheshire cat

2639
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:54,320
appearances and disappearances

2640
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:57,119
they likely have taken control of

2641
01:52:01,189 --> 01:52:00,000
gravity and are not subject

2642
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:01,199
to the

2643
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:04,400
injurious forces on a biological being

2644
01:52:09,589 --> 01:52:06,960
that we imagine with our 20th and 21st

2645
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:09,599
century technology yeah yeah i i agree

2646
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:11,440
with joel what joel is effectively

2647
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:13,679
saying is what goes on inside the ship

2648
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:16,719
stays inside the ship right

2649
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:20,629
but it would have to be that way if you

2650
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:23,599
think about it i mean you would uh not

2651
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:26,400
only have to deal with uh

2652
01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:29,360
uh the vacuum of space and

2653
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:32,320
you know right right you're right uh

2654
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:33,440
everything

2655
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,840
there there's the obvious effects

2656
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,119
and then there's the other stuff that

2657
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:39,840
you have to deal with and and certainly

2658
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,320
there's some g-forces

2659
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:44,639
uh involved well you would have to wait

2660
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:46,480
for the relative speed to catch up to

2661
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:47,440
yourself

2662
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:49,119
right okay so

2663
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:50,880
but but once you did that everything

2664
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:53,760
would be stable but you would still have

2665
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:56,080
uh the weightlessness of space even

2666
01:53:01,830 --> 01:52:59,760
though the inertia has caught up to you

2667
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:01,840
speaking of taking control of gravity

2668
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:03,280
joel and i

2669
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:05,599
and our good friend hoyt yateman who is

2670
01:53:09,510 --> 01:53:07,599
the mad genius behind this

2671
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:09,520
have been experimenting

2672
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:12,560
with replicating claude pohere's

2673
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,760
experiments

2674
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:15,760
to harness a particle known as

2675
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:19,840
universons to create a craft that as

2676
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,560
joel said would take control of gravity

2677
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:24,560
so we're trying to make we're trying to

2678
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:32,870
and are you are you really trying to get

2679
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:36,800
the cia to shut this show down tonight

2680
01:53:42,149 --> 01:53:39,199
try to get them to invest incutel is a

2681
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:42,159
great startup funding vehicle

2682
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:44,960
oh in qutel yeah absolutely

2683
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:46,960
absolutely uh

2684
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:48,880
in q-tel you know what's really funny

2685
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:50,800
about inquite i did uh

2686
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:53,520
i did a segment of uh uh about them on

2687
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:57,760
on my tv show and i almost got

2688
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:58,800
uh

2689
01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:01,360
the head i'm not gonna mention names

2690
01:54:05,189 --> 01:54:02,800
right now because i could probably get

2691
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:05,199
into some trouble but

2692
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:07,440
uh let's just say this

2693
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:10,320
uh pokemon the game

2694
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:12,719
right the game you remember how it was

2695
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:14,400
just on everybody's phone right and

2696
01:54:19,910 --> 01:54:16,400
everybody's playing pokemon and and

2697
01:54:20,830 --> 01:54:19,920
going around that if you back up

2698
01:54:23,109 --> 01:54:20,840
in

2699
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:23,119
qtel was

2700
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:27,040
the incubator fund venture funding and

2701
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:29,280
venture capital

2702
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:30,320
for

2703
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:33,280
the primitive versions

2704
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,840
of google

2705
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:36,800
earth now

2706
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:38,800
and and the reason why

2707
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:41,119
it turned into google earth

2708
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:43,280
because before that

2709
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:44,560
that was

2710
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:47,760
all of the smart bomb technology that we

2711
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:50,239
rained down on iraq you remember when we

2712
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:52,239
were talking about we got smart bombs

2713
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:53,920
right we got smart bombs that was

2714
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:55,360
incutel

2715
01:55:01,430 --> 01:54:58,880
and that technology check this out

2716
01:55:03,669 --> 01:55:01,440
i hope joel is listening joel check this

2717
01:55:07,669 --> 01:55:03,679
out brah

2718
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:07,679
so incutel funded that the gps boom

2719
01:55:10,149 --> 01:55:09,199
uh the

2720
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:10,159
the

2721
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:16,480
to be able to pinpoint drop those bombs

2722
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:18,560
then that technology

2723
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:20,800
funded by the cia

2724
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:23,679
was then folded over into

2725
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:26,560
google earth google maps google

2726
01:55:30,830 --> 01:55:27,760
satellite

2727
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:30,840
and then that was funneled

2728
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:34,000
into pokemon

2729
01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:34,960
and

2730
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:38,320
then pokemon had the ability now check

2731
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:40,320
this out this is the cia man knowing

2732
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:41,760
what they're doing

2733
01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:44,560
right pokemon had the ability when you

2734
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:46,960
go and you install the game

2735
01:55:52,629 --> 01:55:49,440
and you get all those permissions going

2736
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:52,639
they can now turn on and off your camera

2737
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:54,480
and microphone

2738
01:56:01,990 --> 01:55:59,669
and uh by the way joel is listening he

2739
01:56:04,229 --> 01:56:02,000
just sent another text and i got another

2740
01:56:05,430 --> 01:56:04,239
sort of connection to gravity through

2741
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:05,440
pokemon

2742
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:06,480
one of the

2743
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:10,480
company that did pokemon go

2744
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:13,840
is a guy named flint dilly a brilliant

2745
01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:15,920
long time game designer

2746
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:18,639
and back in the 90s i was hanging i had

2747
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:20,159
dinner with flint one night he told me

2748
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:23,440
the story about how the pentagon would

2749
01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:25,040
bring in people from all different

2750
01:56:30,070 --> 01:56:27,520
fields including game development

2751
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:30,080
to do war planning scenarios and to

2752
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:32,639
think outside the box and who better to

2753
01:56:37,189 --> 01:56:34,960
do that than a game designer

2754
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:37,199
and flint told me this

2755
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,760
chilling encounter he had

2756
01:56:44,550 --> 01:56:41,440
with a general

2757
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:44,560
in the air force who had responsibility

2758
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:47,360
for like the overflight of china

2759
01:56:50,870 --> 01:56:48,880
and the general said you know one of the

2760
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:50,880
big problems i got

2761
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:53,119
is that china is too big

2762
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:54,960
we have to refuel

2763
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:56,560
so we're trying to figure out really

2764
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:58,560
good refueling techniques

2765
01:57:01,669 --> 01:57:00,400
and the guy then said

2766
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:01,679
you know what

2767
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:03,520
i'm gonna make like a five-year

2768
01:57:09,589 --> 01:57:07,280
commission to figure out anti-gravity

2769
01:57:11,669 --> 01:57:09,599
now i don't know if he did or not

2770
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:11,679
but what was fascinating was that this

2771
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:12,960
guy figured

2772
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:15,840
to make his job easier he needed to

2773
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:18,159
figure out anti-gravity

2774
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:20,639
and he calibrated it at a five-year

2775
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:28,470
the other part to that okay so let's

2776
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:30,560
keep this conversation going

2777
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:32,560
talking about uh

2778
01:57:39,589 --> 01:57:35,840
backwards engineering et tech

2779
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:39,599
i am of the firm belief

2780
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:42,400
that there is something going on

2781
01:57:47,510 --> 01:57:45,360
with the stealth bomber the b2

2782
01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:47,520
there is

2783
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:50,880
something happening there

2784
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:54,400
that thing should not be able to fly

2785
01:58:01,430 --> 01:57:55,280
and

2786
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:01,440
i've seen

2787
01:58:07,109 --> 01:58:05,199
a a few occasions b2 flyovers

2788
01:58:09,910 --> 01:58:07,119
and one of them was really low above my

2789
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:09,920
car but what i think and when you watch

2790
01:58:14,470 --> 01:58:11,760
that take off i think that there is

2791
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:14,480
something anti-gravitic

2792
01:58:18,870 --> 01:58:16,080
electromagnetic

2793
01:58:22,390 --> 01:58:18,880
there is something on the lift of that

2794
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:22,400
aircraft um that that keeps it in the

2795
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:25,360
air i don't think it is strictly air

2796
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:26,639
foils

2797
01:58:34,470 --> 01:58:30,480
i believe that i i really i i believe it

2798
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:34,480
is beyond bernoulli uh yeah you know

2799
01:58:39,030 --> 01:58:37,040
i i don't know there's

2800
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:39,040
you know this a lot of people think that

2801
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:41,360
stealth technology has some kind of

2802
01:58:45,510 --> 01:58:42,960
correlation

2803
01:58:47,669 --> 01:58:45,520
with ufos and when i spoke at i think it

2804
01:58:48,629 --> 01:58:47,679
was an alien con one year

2805
01:58:50,709 --> 01:58:48,639
and

2806
01:58:52,870 --> 01:58:50,719
i had sort of a timeline

2807
01:58:54,310 --> 01:58:52,880
that i put up on the screen

2808
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:54,320
of

2809
01:58:58,709 --> 01:58:56,000
with various things

2810
01:59:01,510 --> 01:58:58,719
you know well-known ufo cases

2811
01:59:03,910 --> 01:59:01,520
uh development events with project blue

2812
01:59:05,350 --> 01:59:03,920
book and there was like an 11 year old

2813
01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:05,360
boy who

2814
01:59:09,750 --> 01:59:07,520
neatly raised his hand and asked a

2815
01:59:12,149 --> 01:59:09,760
question and he said

2816
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:12,159
you know have you gone back and looked

2817
01:59:16,870 --> 01:59:14,800
at famous ufo cases

2818
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:16,880
and tried to correlate that

2819
01:59:21,910 --> 01:59:19,840
with known advances in military

2820
01:59:24,790 --> 01:59:21,920
technology

2821
01:59:27,030 --> 01:59:24,800
i thought what a great question um you

2822
01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:27,040
know i know people have tried to do that

2823
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:28,560
and i'd like to learn a little bit more

2824
01:59:32,229 --> 01:59:30,560
about that if anybody's listening

2825
01:59:34,470 --> 01:59:32,239
and has some insight or done some

2826
01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:34,480
research into that i'd love to see that

2827
01:59:37,189 --> 01:59:36,239
because if you can plot those two things

2828
01:59:39,669 --> 01:59:37,199
together

2829
01:59:41,430 --> 01:59:39,679
it makes a much more compelling case

2830
01:59:43,830 --> 01:59:41,440
for the government having these kind of

2831
01:59:45,750 --> 01:59:43,840
craft because it's hard to imagine that

2832
01:59:48,070 --> 01:59:45,760
if they have this craft that some of

2833
01:59:50,070 --> 01:59:48,080
that technology hasn't leaked out

2834
01:59:53,350 --> 01:59:50,080
somewhere along the line let's take our

2835
01:59:56,229 --> 01:59:53,360
break right here i'm getting reports now

2836
01:59:59,830 --> 01:59:56,239
uh that twitter

2837
02:00:02,870 --> 01:59:59,840
is down and i'm looking at the map here

2838
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:02,880
i'm over at a down detector and sure

2839
02:00:05,350 --> 02:00:04,320
enough

2840
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:05,360
uh

2841
02:00:09,750 --> 02:00:08,639
this is all east coast

2842
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:09,760
uh

2843
02:00:15,589 --> 02:00:12,480
it's it's i think twitter's down

2844
02:00:18,790 --> 02:00:15,599
uh most of the east coast uh twitter has

2845
02:00:19,910 --> 02:00:18,800
gone bye-bye so i'm going

2846
02:00:21,750 --> 02:00:19,920
jimmy they

2847
02:00:23,350 --> 02:00:21,760
they've clogged up the system see this

2848
02:00:26,070 --> 02:00:23,360
is what happens this is what happens

2849
02:00:27,990 --> 02:00:26,080
when fade to black starts uh you know

2850
02:00:30,550 --> 02:00:28,000
speaking about secret stuff with with

2851
02:00:32,629 --> 02:00:30,560
somebody like paul heineck who is at the

2852
02:00:34,390 --> 02:00:32,639
center of the known universe so let's

2853
02:00:36,790 --> 02:00:34,400
take our break right here paul and let's

2854
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:36,800
see if we can save the world when we

2855
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:38,960
come back in the next break our guest

2856
02:00:42,709 --> 02:00:41,040
tonight paul heineck i'm your host jimmy

2857
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church this is fade to black stay with

2858
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2859
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2860
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2861
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2862
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2863
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2864
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2865
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2866
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2869
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2870
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2871
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2872
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2874
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you can even visit our sales page to

2875
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save some dough does anybody call money

2876
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dough anymore anyway if you're looking

2877
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for short helpful health tips go to

2878
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2879
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2880
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2881
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log on to get the tea.com shop get

2882
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balanced then learn some cool tips at

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health matters now you'll be glad you

2884
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did that's get the dot tea.com

2885
02:02:09,510 --> 02:02:06,080
this is jimmy church of fade to black

2886
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and i only drink fade to black blend

2887
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coffee from river moon just click on the

2888
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2889
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2890
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2891
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this is the only way forward

2892
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this is made to black

2893
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make contact

2894
02:02:32,709 --> 02:02:30,880
[Music]

2895
02:02:35,750 --> 02:02:32,719
when you're in the house for longer

2896
02:02:38,149 --> 02:02:35,760
periods of time you can see them flying

2897
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:38,159
or running across the floor

2898
02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:39,920
ooh yuck

2899
02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:43,199
they're unhealthy gross and disgusting

2900
02:02:50,550 --> 02:02:47,440
bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

2901
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:50,560
but occasionally bugs show up well i

2902
02:02:56,470 --> 02:02:52,639
found something that is tougher than

2903
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bugs orange guard on contact it kills

2904
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2905
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fleas plus orange guard is a residual

2906
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2907
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orange guard are on the fda generally

2908
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recognized as safe list orange guard may

2909
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be used around food humans and pets it

2910
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comes with a 30 day money back guarantee

2911
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2912
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2913
02:03:26,229 --> 02:03:24,950
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2914
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[Music]

2915
02:03:31,189 --> 02:03:28,560
gold loves chaos

2916
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:31,199
uncertainty and disarray history shows

2917
02:03:35,030 --> 02:03:33,280
us what gold does when people aren't

2918
02:03:37,510 --> 02:03:35,040
sure aren't sure about the government

2919
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:37,520
the stock market their jobs or their

2920
02:03:42,310 --> 02:03:40,320
retirement savings our national debt is

2921
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:42,320
skyrocketing gold and other precious

2922
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metals are a defense measure against

2923
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:46,719
inflation and a stock market that might

2924
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:49,440
take years to recover so what can you do

2925
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2929
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2936
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or visit 800-753-8534

2937
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[Applause]

2938
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:37,280
you want to know a secret

2939
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:41,040
i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

2940
02:04:44,629 --> 02:04:42,400
serious

2941
02:04:45,990 --> 02:04:44,639
i couldn't stay sane without pawn mr

2942
02:04:48,069 --> 02:04:46,000
brush

2943
02:04:54,550 --> 02:04:48,079
why fade to black

2944
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:56,709
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2945
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:00,560
on the game changer radio network

2946
02:05:14,709 --> 02:05:12,960
[Music]

2947
02:05:16,069 --> 02:05:14,719
welcome back fade to black i am your

2948
02:05:18,310 --> 02:05:16,079
host jimmy church i guess tonight paul

2949
02:05:20,470 --> 02:05:18,320
heineck

2950
02:05:22,629 --> 02:05:20,480
tomorrow night isaac arthur thursday

2951
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:22,639
night is another fader night with open

2952
02:05:26,950 --> 02:05:24,239
lines all night long right before the

2953
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:26,960
break reports about twitter being down

2954
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:29,199
and uh the hot spots right now down in

2955
02:05:35,669 --> 02:05:32,560
chicago washington dc

2956
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:35,679
new york those are the three like red

2957
02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:38,400
areas right now on the down detector map

2958
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:39,360
but

2959
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:43,119
uh right behind is uh tampa florida

2960
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:46,480
montreal toronto boston uh detroit

2961
02:05:50,950 --> 02:05:48,960
minneapolis st louis dallas

2962
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:50,960
dallas is lighting up red right now and

2963
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:52,480
so is houston

2964
02:05:57,189 --> 02:05:55,199
and uh los angeles phoenix san francisco

2965
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:57,199
and seattle

2966
02:06:02,870 --> 02:06:00,400
uh minneapolis uh too as well and every

2967
02:06:06,069 --> 02:06:02,880
time that i update the page

2968
02:06:07,189 --> 02:06:06,079
uh the red is ooh

2969
02:06:10,310 --> 02:06:07,199
man

2970
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:10,320
the red is getting redder

2971
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:12,320
so yeah there you go you know it's kind

2972
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:13,440
of weird

2973
02:06:18,550 --> 02:06:16,400
um you've been in uh you know in the

2974
02:06:21,109 --> 02:06:18,560
tech industry for a while and that show

2975
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:21,119
that we did on ai was was one of my

2976
02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:23,760
favorite shows uh that that i've ever

2977
02:06:26,229 --> 02:06:24,639
done

2978
02:06:29,750 --> 02:06:26,239
um but

2979
02:06:32,149 --> 02:06:29,760
watching facebook go down last week

2980
02:06:35,510 --> 02:06:32,159
and then you know uh possibly twitter

2981
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:35,520
something happening there this week

2982
02:06:41,830 --> 02:06:38,880
um paul i want to ask you is this like

2983
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:41,840
is is this entropy is this entropy like

2984
02:06:46,390 --> 02:06:44,480
rearing its ugly head

2985
02:06:48,310 --> 02:06:46,400
i i think a lot of people think that

2986
02:06:49,830 --> 02:06:48,320
twitter itself is entropy when it's

2987
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:49,840
running at full steam

2988
02:06:53,430 --> 02:06:51,119
um

2989
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:53,440
you know

2990
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:55,679
technology is great when it works and

2991
02:07:01,589 --> 02:06:58,560
it's things fall apart pretty easily

2992
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:01,599
and it seems like there are some actors

2993
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:02,639
out there

2994
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:05,920
who want to who are successful at taking

2995
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:08,400
paw shots i mean facebook was notorious

2996
02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:10,800
right it all went down and whatsapp and

2997
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:12,639
instagram and now

2998
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:15,360
twitter with these sort of rolling urban

2999
02:07:19,830 --> 02:07:16,800
outages

3000
02:07:23,030 --> 02:07:19,840
you know um it's just so hard to

3001
02:07:24,790 --> 02:07:23,040
thwart a determined well-funded and

3002
02:07:27,030 --> 02:07:24,800
smart entity

3003
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:27,040
from uh shutting down part of your

3004
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:28,800
network

3005
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:31,760
i remember uh uh greg house and you know

3006
02:07:37,270 --> 02:07:36,400
greg and a very very smart guy hacker

3007
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:37,280
and

3008
02:07:44,109 --> 02:07:43,119
things went to prison uh over

3009
02:07:46,950 --> 02:07:44,119
uh

3010
02:07:49,270 --> 02:07:46,960
something tech related i don't want to

3011
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:49,280
get into that detail but i asked greg

3012
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:50,400
once

3013
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:53,280
uh we were in new york and uh i said

3014
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:57,430
how

3015
02:08:02,149 --> 02:08:00,320
easy

3016
02:08:03,660 --> 02:08:02,159
would it be to

3017
02:08:04,790 --> 02:08:03,670
get into

3018
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:04,800
[Music]

3019
02:08:10,629 --> 02:08:06,719
something that is impossible to crack

3020
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:10,639
like the cia or the nsa nro

3021
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:16,149
now wait a minute and he said it so

3022
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:18,400
nonchalantly right

3023
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:22,000
and i said okay let's say

3024
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:23,199
you

3025
02:08:31,030 --> 02:08:29,280
honestly

3026
02:08:33,109 --> 02:08:31,040
uh

3027
02:08:35,350 --> 02:08:33,119
five minutes

3028
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:35,360
and i said wait what say what and he

3029
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:37,760
goes look um and that's if i didn't have

3030
02:08:43,109 --> 02:08:39,119
a human

3031
02:08:46,390 --> 02:08:43,119
the inside

3032
02:08:48,390 --> 02:08:46,400
that could plug in a flash drive

3033
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:48,400
because that would be instant

3034
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:49,520
instant

3035
02:08:53,910 --> 02:08:51,760
but if i didn't have that and i had to

3036
02:08:56,229 --> 02:08:53,920
do it on my own five minutes

3037
02:08:57,750 --> 02:08:56,239
and i said well what's stopping somebody

3038
02:08:59,830 --> 02:08:57,760
from doing that he goes you know

3039
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:59,840
honestly um

3040
02:09:03,030 --> 02:09:01,040
uh

3041
02:09:06,709 --> 02:09:03,040
any bored

3042
02:09:08,149 --> 02:09:06,719
hacker could do it

3043
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:08,159
and

3044
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:16,079
something like facebook which you would

3045
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:18,719
think system redundancy

3046
02:09:24,149 --> 02:09:20,800
uh an infrastructure that has been in

3047
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:24,159
place for a while the more money than

3048
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:25,440
uh

3049
02:09:30,069 --> 02:09:27,920
you know than any you know to to put

3050
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:30,079
security systems in place

3051
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:32,480
and for them to have you know

3052
02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:34,079
the dns

3053
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:36,560
uh removals um

3054
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:39,920
and and i mean at that level

3055
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:43,280
that isn't uh a breakdown that nobody

3056
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:47,040
tripped over a an ethernet cable right

3057
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:49,520
that's not that's not what happened

3058
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:52,800
uh somebody did that to facebook

3059
02:09:57,750 --> 02:09:54,719
and that's pretty scary the challenge

3060
02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:57,760
with defense of a computer network just

3061
02:10:00,950 --> 02:10:00,000
like it is if you're you know defending

3062
02:10:12,149 --> 02:10:00,960
a

3063
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:12,159
so

3064
02:10:17,109 --> 02:10:12,960
in

3065
02:10:20,069 --> 02:10:17,119
wide range

3066
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:20,079
of attack options that it's hard to

3067
02:10:24,870 --> 02:10:22,560
fortify each one of those

3068
02:10:27,189 --> 02:10:24,880
apart from human frailty

3069
02:10:28,950 --> 02:10:27,199
and then you have the distributed denial

3070
02:10:29,910 --> 02:10:28,960
of service attacks where even if your

3071
02:10:32,149 --> 02:10:29,920
system

3072
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:32,159
they don't shut it down but they just

3073
02:10:37,350 --> 02:10:35,040
ping it with so many requests

3074
02:10:39,669 --> 02:10:37,360
from these computers sometimes millions

3075
02:10:41,510 --> 02:10:39,679
of which they've made into zombies that

3076
02:10:43,750 --> 02:10:41,520
all through requests that your servers

3077
02:10:45,350 --> 02:10:43,760
at the same time your system is doing

3078
02:10:48,229 --> 02:10:45,360
exactly what it should

3079
02:10:51,830 --> 02:10:48,239
it just wasn't built to handle a burst

3080
02:10:54,069 --> 02:10:51,840
of five million percent in one hour

3081
02:10:56,709 --> 02:10:54,079
is that um

3082
02:10:58,470 --> 02:10:56,719
is that one of the things that may be

3083
02:11:01,830 --> 02:10:58,480
driving

3084
02:11:04,069 --> 02:11:01,840
this ufo uap conversation right now with

3085
02:11:06,310 --> 02:11:04,079
uh the department of the defense the

3086
02:11:08,149 --> 02:11:06,320
senate uh throughout and you know back

3087
02:11:09,430 --> 02:11:08,159
out into the media

3088
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:09,440
in that

3089
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:12,719
it there's one thing uh to you know to

3090
02:11:17,510 --> 02:11:15,840
have a a giant ship above los angeles

3091
02:11:19,990 --> 02:11:17,520
okay well that would be

3092
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:20,000
a pretty cool version of disclosure

3093
02:11:26,470 --> 02:11:23,119
but there is the potential

3094
02:11:29,189 --> 02:11:26,480
of some white hat hacker out there

3095
02:11:30,709 --> 02:11:29,199
going in and getting to these files

3096
02:11:35,510 --> 02:11:30,719
eventually you can't have them on

3097
02:11:39,910 --> 02:11:36,790
yeah you know

3098
02:11:45,030 --> 02:11:42,310
had it not been for covid

3099
02:11:47,030 --> 02:11:45,040
ufos would have been a far bigger story

3100
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:47,040
in 2020

3101
02:11:51,910 --> 02:11:49,920
and one of the

3102
02:11:53,750 --> 02:11:51,920
indications of this was i was listening

3103
02:11:55,830 --> 02:11:53,760
to espn in the background and they were

3104
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:55,840
talking about some football game

3105
02:11:59,430 --> 02:11:57,199
and then one of the guys said to the

3106
02:12:01,189 --> 02:11:59,440
other one hey

3107
02:12:02,629 --> 02:12:01,199
if there is a super bowl this year and

3108
02:12:03,990 --> 02:12:02,639
it's kind of uncertain at that point if

3109
02:12:06,069 --> 02:12:04,000
there would be one

3110
02:12:07,669 --> 02:12:06,079
will the winner need to have an asterisk

3111
02:12:10,310 --> 02:12:07,679
by their name

3112
02:12:12,069 --> 02:12:10,320
because of covid and all the shenanigans

3113
02:12:14,229 --> 02:12:12,079
and the other guy says without skipping

3114
02:12:17,430 --> 02:12:14,239
a beat look dude the only thing you need

3115
02:12:19,189 --> 02:12:17,440
to know about 90 or about 2020

3116
02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:19,199
is that the u.s government has admitted

3117
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:21,840
that ufos exist

3118
02:12:27,189 --> 02:12:24,079
this was on espn in the middle of a day

3119
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:27,199
during a football discussion

3120
02:12:31,830 --> 02:12:30,320
and it you know ufos had permeated down

3121
02:12:34,229 --> 02:12:31,840
to that level

3122
02:12:37,069 --> 02:12:34,239
where this jock breaking down in nfl

3123
02:12:39,510 --> 02:12:37,079
defense felt comfortable

3124
02:12:43,189 --> 02:12:39,520
extemporaneously and randomly talking

3125
02:12:46,069 --> 02:12:43,199
about ufos in a football broadcast

3126
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:46,079
i brought this up last night

3127
02:12:52,390 --> 02:12:49,119
on the show and the reason why

3128
02:12:53,430 --> 02:12:52,400
um i did this is

3129
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:53,440
uh

3130
02:13:00,950 --> 02:12:58,480
chappelle

3131
02:13:02,310 --> 02:13:00,960
netflix uh special all right that

3132
02:13:04,310 --> 02:13:02,320
everybody's yapping about and

3133
02:13:06,069 --> 02:13:04,320
chappelle's great and he's funny and

3134
02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:06,079
always controversial

3135
02:13:12,709 --> 02:13:09,679
but he said he brought up coveting ufos

3136
02:13:13,830 --> 02:13:12,719
right and and this is what he said much

3137
02:13:16,550 --> 02:13:13,840
like what

3138
02:13:18,629 --> 02:13:16,560
what you just said there with espn in

3139
02:13:22,390 --> 02:13:18,639
that here we have

3140
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:22,400
dave chappelle netflix comedy special

3141
02:13:27,510 --> 02:13:24,480
and he gets up and he says so i got

3142
02:13:30,470 --> 02:13:27,520
kovid and i was forced into a two week

3143
02:13:32,550 --> 02:13:30,480
quarantine and i'm stuck in a hotel room

3144
02:13:35,669 --> 02:13:32,560
and he goes and you know what i did

3145
02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:35,679
i watched ufo videos for two weeks and

3146
02:13:39,430 --> 02:13:37,040
he goes

3147
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:39,440
ufos are here man

3148
02:13:44,950 --> 02:13:43,440
ufos are here they are real

3149
02:13:46,229 --> 02:13:44,960
and uh

3150
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:46,239
you know where you know where dave

3151
02:13:48,870 --> 02:13:48,000
chappelle was born and raised and lived

3152
02:13:50,709 --> 02:13:48,880
now

3153
02:13:52,950 --> 02:13:50,719
ten minutes from wright patterson air

3154
02:13:55,910 --> 02:13:52,960
force base that's right in ohio that is

3155
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:55,920
uh that that is a fact and and i thought

3156
02:13:59,189 --> 02:13:57,360
to myself and i mentioned this last

3157
02:14:01,830 --> 02:13:59,199
night on the show and i think it is just

3158
02:14:03,910 --> 02:14:01,840
such a an important point to bring up

3159
02:14:07,030 --> 02:14:03,920
it's one thing to discuss ufos in the

3160
02:14:09,030 --> 02:14:07,040
ufo community on this show with you

3161
02:14:12,709 --> 02:14:09,040
right it's what we do

3162
02:14:14,390 --> 02:14:12,719
it's a whole nether situation and even

3163
02:14:15,830 --> 02:14:14,400
tucker carlson but it's a whole nother

3164
02:14:17,990 --> 02:14:15,840
situation

3165
02:14:21,589 --> 02:14:18,000
when you have dave chappelle

3166
02:14:24,310 --> 02:14:21,599
and his reach into popular culture

3167
02:14:27,350 --> 02:14:24,320
speaking about this because that is to a

3168
02:14:29,109 --> 02:14:27,360
whole nother uh slice of the pie out

3169
02:14:30,870 --> 02:14:29,119
there and

3170
02:14:34,629 --> 02:14:30,880
same thing with the

3171
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:34,639
uh an nfl broadcast on espn you're

3172
02:14:39,030 --> 02:14:36,480
speaking to a whole new audience man

3173
02:14:40,470 --> 02:14:39,040
that's not the ancient alien crowd

3174
02:14:42,470 --> 02:14:40,480
right if you've got some if you've got

3175
02:14:44,790 --> 02:14:42,480
an audience expecting to hear another

3176
02:14:47,109 --> 02:14:44,800
parody of rick james and now the guy

3177
02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:47,119
starts talking about ufos it's the dawn

3178
02:14:50,790 --> 02:14:48,880
of a new day and that's what

3179
02:14:52,830 --> 02:14:50,800
disclosure's all about it's dave

3180
02:14:54,390 --> 02:14:52,840
chappelle not

3181
02:14:56,470 --> 02:14:54,400
pentagon

3182
02:14:59,510 --> 02:14:56,480
it is a bright new day

3183
02:15:02,390 --> 02:14:59,520
is it moving fast enough for you

3184
02:15:05,270 --> 02:15:02,400
or is it too fast

3185
02:15:07,990 --> 02:15:05,280
nothing's too fast for me um

3186
02:15:09,910 --> 02:15:08,000
you know

3187
02:15:11,270 --> 02:15:09,920
given that it's always been a snail's

3188
02:15:16,229 --> 02:15:11,280
pace

3189
02:15:18,470 --> 02:15:16,239
so it's it's picked up a little bit

3190
02:15:20,870 --> 02:15:18,480
still not nearly fast enough i mean this

3191
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:20,880
is one of the most important questions

3192
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:22,639
to face mankind you know is there life

3193
02:15:28,069 --> 02:15:25,840
after death is there life elsewhere

3194
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:28,079
and we're we're now itching a little bit

3195
02:15:33,350 --> 02:15:30,719
closer to finding that out

3196
02:15:34,830 --> 02:15:33,360
why did a project blue book uh get

3197
02:15:36,390 --> 02:15:34,840
cancelled on a

3198
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:36,400
cliffhanger

3199
02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:39,679
too yes it was too much

3200
02:15:44,870 --> 02:15:42,800
um david o'leary and sean jablonski

3201
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:44,880
the creator and showrunner of the show

3202
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:46,000
and i met

3203
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:47,920
uh after the second season because they

3204
02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:50,400
had already gotten sort of a preliminary

3205
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:51,920
green light for the network to do a

3206
02:15:55,350 --> 02:15:53,840
third season and most of the third

3207
02:15:57,510 --> 02:15:55,360
season was going to take place in europe

3208
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:57,520
and they had a great follow-up

3209
02:16:02,310 --> 02:15:59,920
to that cliffhanger

3210
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:02,320
with michael malarkey and

3211
02:16:07,189 --> 02:16:04,960
i think what happened is two reasons one

3212
02:16:08,550 --> 02:16:07,199
arturo and terian who was the network

3213
02:16:11,109 --> 02:16:08,560
executive

3214
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:11,119
um at history and the show was a big hit

3215
02:16:15,750 --> 02:16:13,599
the first year he got post

3216
02:16:17,910 --> 02:16:15,760
because of the show's success in part in

3217
02:16:19,910 --> 02:16:17,920
place because he's just a stud to mgm

3218
02:16:21,350 --> 02:16:19,920
where he's in charge of fargo and bird's

3219
02:16:23,510 --> 02:16:21,360
tail

3220
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:23,520
and a bunch of other shows

3221
02:16:27,510 --> 02:16:25,840
and so the guy that came in seems like a

3222
02:16:29,270 --> 02:16:27,520
nice guy and i met him

3223
02:16:31,830 --> 02:16:29,280
but you know history really isn't that

3224
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:31,840
big on scripted shows to begin with and

3225
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:33,760
i think the new guy it wasn't his show

3226
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:35,200
he didn't develop it i don't think he

3227
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:37,200
really liked the hose that much

3228
02:16:42,230 --> 02:16:39,840
and then you add covet in i just think

3229
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:42,240
it made it a very

3230
02:16:46,230 --> 02:16:44,800
it was a difficult economic decision in

3231
02:16:47,589 --> 02:16:46,240
very challenging production

3232
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:47,599
circumstances

3233
02:16:50,549 --> 02:16:49,120
to keep a

3234
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:50,559
high budget

3235
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:52,559
scripted show going when that's not

3236
02:16:55,110 --> 02:16:54,240
really the main rest of the history

3237
02:16:57,190 --> 02:16:55,120
channel

3238
02:16:58,870 --> 02:16:57,200
yeah but the uh the ratings were there

3239
02:17:03,750 --> 02:16:58,880
it was a hit show

3240
02:17:05,990 --> 02:17:03,760
um but when you do the executive uh

3241
02:17:08,469 --> 02:17:06,000
shuffle at a network

3242
02:17:09,669 --> 02:17:08,479
and a new guy comes in and the flag

3243
02:17:12,309 --> 02:17:09,679
waiver

3244
02:17:15,669 --> 02:17:12,319
of the show departs

3245
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:15,679
whoever's coming in wants wants to deal

3246
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:17,840
only with their shows

3247
02:17:22,629 --> 02:17:20,080
their projects that's what they want to

3248
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:22,639
see succeed they could give a crap about

3249
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:24,479
somebody else's show

3250
02:17:29,830 --> 02:17:26,719
yeah like to go back to football since

3251
02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:29,840
it's such so closely related ufos yeah

3252
02:17:34,309 --> 02:17:31,280
you're a head coach you want to bring in

3253
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:34,319
your own offensive coordinator

3254
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:35,760
and that's it

3255
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:37,359
and he's going to bring in his own team

3256
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:38,880
underneath him

3257
02:17:44,230 --> 02:17:42,240
right and it just continues on from that

3258
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:44,240
um what uh

3259
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:47,120
the reason why i'm bringing this up i it

3260
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:48,880
took me

3261
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:51,679
about two or three shows uh to

3262
02:17:54,830 --> 02:17:53,599
understand what project blue book was

3263
02:17:57,910 --> 02:17:54,840
about

3264
02:18:00,469 --> 02:17:57,920
um i didn't uh

3265
02:18:02,150 --> 02:18:00,479
the the first the first episode when i

3266
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:02,160
started to see the

3267
02:18:05,830 --> 02:18:04,960
the artistic license that was taking

3268
02:18:07,349 --> 02:18:05,840
place

3269
02:18:10,870 --> 02:18:07,359
i was like wait a minute here and i was

3270
02:18:12,469 --> 02:18:10,880
taking notes paul i i called you and i i

3271
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:12,479
remember that phone call i was like what

3272
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:14,160
the heck's going on man

3273
02:18:19,750 --> 02:18:18,080
yeah and uh and and you remember that

3274
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:19,760
and so anyway i'm taking notes i'm like

3275
02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:22,160
how can how can they do 30 mistakes in a

3276
02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:24,479
show where's this research coming from

3277
02:18:28,549 --> 02:18:26,479
well that was show number one and then i

3278
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:28,559
just had to let it go

3279
02:18:33,910 --> 02:18:30,240
just let it go

3280
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:33,920
just enjoy it for the show that it was

3281
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:37,120
and i ended up becoming a huge fan of

3282
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:38,399
the show

3283
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:40,319
and and by the end of the second season

3284
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:43,040
i was like this is go time this is great

3285
02:18:48,230 --> 02:18:44,880
great cliffhanger

3286
02:18:49,910 --> 02:18:48,240
and and no season three

3287
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:49,920
yeah

3288
02:18:55,349 --> 02:18:53,280
show because

3289
02:18:57,190 --> 02:18:55,359
kind of like close encounters of third

3290
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:57,200
kind back in its day

3291
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:58,880
you have a work

3292
02:19:01,750 --> 02:19:00,800
you know with a fair amount of fiction

3293
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:01,760
in it

3294
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:03,679
and that brings more people in you

3295
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:05,359
talked about you you didn't say the

3296
02:19:09,429 --> 02:19:07,200
phrase echo chamber but that's what kind

3297
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:09,439
of the ufo community can be right we're

3298
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:10,880
talking to each other and it's hard to

3299
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:12,559
bring new people in

3300
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:14,800
when you have a piece of fiction

3301
02:19:19,910 --> 02:19:17,599
you don't have people saying oh i'm not

3302
02:19:21,190 --> 02:19:19,920
a ufo guy you have someone saying well

3303
02:19:22,709 --> 02:19:21,200
that looks kind of cool what's going on

3304
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:22,719
there i want to see

3305
02:19:29,110 --> 02:19:25,679
so like you come for the drama

3306
02:19:31,030 --> 02:19:29,120
and you stay for the ufo authenticity

3307
02:19:33,509 --> 02:19:31,040
so the show did a great service to make

3308
02:19:35,910 --> 02:19:33,519
people feel you know have families watch

3309
02:19:37,669 --> 02:19:35,920
it not all of them are in the ufc but by

3310
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,679
the end of it they're saying this is

3311
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:39,040
pretty interesting because they watch

3312
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:41,200
the character playing my father

3313
02:19:44,870 --> 02:19:43,040
and again for the record

3314
02:19:47,910 --> 02:19:44,880
having a super villain from game of

3315
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:47,920
thrones play your tv father is not super

3316
02:19:51,670 --> 02:19:49,760
creepy at all

3317
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:51,680
you help people watch they say wow

3318
02:19:54,710 --> 02:19:53,120
that's really cool

3319
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:54,720
maybe there's something to this and

3320
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:57,040
that's what kind of moves the needle on

3321
02:20:01,349 --> 02:19:59,920
public discourse is works that aren't

3322
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:01,359
viewed as documentaries i think

3323
02:20:07,030 --> 02:20:04,640
sometimes were you okay with uh

3324
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:07,040
some of the extreme

3325
02:20:09,830 --> 02:20:08,880
things that were portrayed about your

3326
02:20:12,550 --> 02:20:09,840
father

3327
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:12,560
like you know secret underground nazi

3328
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:14,800
laboratory inside of the united states

3329
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:15,600
with

3330
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:20,399
and and your dad just strolls through

3331
02:20:23,590 --> 02:20:21,840
and checks them out

3332
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:23,600
um you know that's

3333
02:20:28,550 --> 02:20:26,000
that's that's that's pretty crazy were

3334
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:28,560
you or your dad shooting down you know

3335
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:30,720
suddenly your dad's a fighter pilot you

3336
02:20:36,710 --> 02:20:33,200
know taking out ufos with machine guns

3337
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:36,720
and and we were you okay with that i

3338
02:20:40,150 --> 02:20:38,000
mean it was

3339
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:40,160
just fun

3340
02:20:43,030 --> 02:20:41,840
i think it's a matter of public record

3341
02:20:45,990 --> 02:20:43,040
now

3342
02:20:47,910 --> 02:20:46,000
that there was a subterranean passage

3343
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:47,920
from underneath our house

3344
02:20:51,750 --> 02:20:50,479
to the nazi secret base in antarctica so

3345
02:20:53,510 --> 02:20:51,760
no i don't have a problem with any of

3346
02:20:55,750 --> 02:20:53,520
that well but when you have that kind of

3347
02:20:57,670 --> 02:20:55,760
reveal you know all families have

3348
02:21:01,590 --> 02:20:57,680
secrets right but you have that kind of

3349
02:21:03,750 --> 02:21:01,600
revealed is is that taking it too far

3350
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:03,760
so here's the thing so my brother joel

3351
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:05,120
right um

3352
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:07,760
and i were consultants on the show

3353
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:09,760
and they were doing the show with or

3354
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:12,399
without us and they brought us on as

3355
02:21:19,190 --> 02:21:13,680
consultants

3356
02:21:22,230 --> 02:21:19,200
typically have a very minor role

3357
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:22,240
and are only sort of called upon when

3358
02:21:25,670 --> 02:21:23,840
there's a question

3359
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:25,680
but because both the joel and i have

3360
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:28,000
significant background in hollywood i

3361
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:29,600
asked them hey can we read the

3362
02:21:33,270 --> 02:21:31,359
pre-production scripts

3363
02:21:34,389 --> 02:21:33,280
and can we visit the set and they said

3364
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:34,399
of course

3365
02:21:40,389 --> 02:21:37,840
so i want you to say it several times

3366
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:40,399
and joel and i read each script

3367
02:21:45,270 --> 02:21:42,479
before it was a production script and we

3368
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:45,280
had meaningful input into the scripts

3369
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:47,280
now in a situation like that as a

3370
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:49,760
consultant you don't have control we

3371
02:21:53,830 --> 02:21:51,920
can't tell them what to do

3372
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:53,840
so it's a function of the relationship

3373
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:55,200
that you develop

3374
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:57,600
and the hills that you want to fight on

3375
02:22:02,070 --> 02:21:59,840
and when we talk with sean the

3376
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:02,080
showrunner and david the creator

3377
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:04,000
and arturo and the others involved with

3378
02:22:08,469 --> 02:22:06,399
the show and indeed the past

3379
02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:08,479
we realized that hey this is kind of an

3380
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:10,960
interesting premise for a show

3381
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:12,800
it's based on some real characters and

3382
02:22:15,990 --> 02:22:15,120
sort of amalgams of air force people

3383
02:22:17,510 --> 02:22:16,000
because they couldn't get all the

3384
02:22:19,110 --> 02:22:17,520
clearances

3385
02:22:20,469 --> 02:22:19,120
but my father and mother were real

3386
02:22:23,190 --> 02:22:20,479
people

3387
02:22:24,469 --> 02:22:23,200
um and joel is kind of an amalgam of us

3388
02:22:25,349 --> 02:22:24,479
kids

3389
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:25,359
and

3390
02:22:29,510 --> 02:22:26,560
so they're going to have these real

3391
02:22:32,070 --> 02:22:29,520
people and they're going to start with

3392
02:22:34,469 --> 02:22:32,080
real live reports

3393
02:22:36,790 --> 02:22:34,479
and then visualize things

3394
02:22:38,389 --> 02:22:36,800
that paper reports don't really bring

3395
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:38,399
home to life

3396
02:22:42,150 --> 02:22:40,399
but then add other elements to kind of

3397
02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:42,160
create like a narrative

3398
02:22:47,429 --> 02:22:45,280
connective tissue between episodes

3399
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:47,439
and so the main thing was this show is

3400
02:22:52,550 --> 02:22:49,600
not about being accurate

3401
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:52,560
to the details but as being authentic to

3402
02:22:56,790 --> 02:22:54,399
the characters

3403
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:56,800
so for us as a family you know in joel

3404
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:58,319
and i reporting back for the rest of the

3405
02:23:01,830 --> 02:22:59,600
siblings

3406
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:01,840
it's important that we feel

3407
02:23:07,429 --> 02:23:04,399
that the show was respectful

3408
02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:07,439
to the memories of our parents

3409
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:10,160
so it doesn't really matter what happens

3410
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:12,000
but what matters is

3411
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:14,240
when it's happening

3412
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:16,720
are our parents being portrayed in a

3413
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:18,800
respectful way

3414
02:23:22,630 --> 02:23:20,160
that shows

3415
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:22,640
sort of how they may have thought

3416
02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:24,080
and so there were a lot of things that

3417
02:23:27,750 --> 02:23:26,080
we asked them to change and they were

3418
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:27,760
very happy to do that because it helped

3419
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:29,280
them understand

3420
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:31,280
the characters better

3421
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,200
but we felt that the show did portray

3422
02:23:37,030 --> 02:23:35,760
them in a respectful way so we were fine

3423
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:37,040
with the show

3424
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:39,120
knowing that they're not going about to

3425
02:23:42,950 --> 02:23:41,840
try to portray every detail

3426
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:42,960
and we don't even know that these

3427
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:44,640
details actually happen

3428
02:23:48,309 --> 02:23:46,880
but as they were reported in ufo

3429
02:23:50,550 --> 02:23:48,319
literature

3430
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:50,560
now what about um

3431
02:23:54,870 --> 02:23:53,120
uh and you know the show is part of the

3432
02:23:57,830 --> 02:23:54,880
public record now

3433
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:57,840
and i think all of us that watch the

3434
02:24:01,750 --> 02:23:59,120
show

3435
02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:01,760
uh when it came to

3436
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:03,600
your mom

3437
02:24:05,510 --> 02:24:04,640
and

3438
02:24:09,750 --> 02:24:05,520
the

3439
02:24:10,630 --> 02:24:09,760
stuff that was going on in her life

3440
02:24:11,429 --> 02:24:10,640
of

3441
02:24:13,590 --> 02:24:11,439
uh

3442
02:24:15,110 --> 02:24:13,600
and her trying to understand this but of

3443
02:24:18,070 --> 02:24:15,120
course we have

3444
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:18,080
you know soviet spies some pretty high

3445
02:24:22,070 --> 02:24:20,880
sexual tensions

3446
02:24:25,270 --> 02:24:22,080
what's that

3447
02:24:28,550 --> 02:24:25,280
it's the lesbian russian spy i i you

3448
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:28,560
know i wanted you to say that i wanted

3449
02:24:33,030 --> 02:24:30,479
you to say but but

3450
02:24:34,230 --> 02:24:33,040
um and what what about that part because

3451
02:24:36,630 --> 02:24:34,240
even i

3452
02:24:39,270 --> 02:24:36,640
sat back and thought well a

3453
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:39,280
is this necessary but b

3454
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:42,399
this is damn good television

3455
02:24:46,150 --> 02:24:43,840
a lot of people ask me hey paul what do

3456
02:24:48,070 --> 02:24:46,160
you think about that lesbian russian spy

3457
02:24:49,750 --> 02:24:48,080
and you know what i want to say is you

3458
02:24:54,070 --> 02:24:49,760
should see the stuff they left out that

3459
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:54,080
really happened i kid i can i can

3460
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:57,200
you know um it's certainly not a matter

3461
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:58,479
of public record that my mother was

3462
02:25:03,750 --> 02:25:01,200
converting with a lesbian russian spy

3463
02:25:06,950 --> 02:25:03,760
but i will say that her brother was the

3464
02:25:08,790 --> 02:25:06,960
maitre d studio 54. so she

3465
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:08,800
she hung around with some pretty wild

3466
02:25:14,190 --> 02:25:10,960
characters um

3467
02:25:16,950 --> 02:25:14,200
you know again that is kind of

3468
02:25:18,630 --> 02:25:16,960
sensationalistic but still

3469
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:18,640
if you you know you watch

3470
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:20,560
laura mannell who's a fantastic actress

3471
02:25:26,630 --> 02:25:23,520
who played with my tv mom

3472
02:25:29,270 --> 02:25:26,640
the character of mimi is still

3473
02:25:32,150 --> 02:25:29,280
a good upstanding woman they've just

3474
02:25:33,590 --> 02:25:32,160
sort of amped up the intrigue with which

3475
02:25:35,590 --> 02:25:33,600
she's confronted

3476
02:25:36,790 --> 02:25:35,600
so uh joel and i didn't have a problem

3477
02:25:38,469 --> 02:25:36,800
with that

3478
02:25:40,950 --> 02:25:38,479
you're uh uh

3479
02:25:42,550 --> 02:25:40,960
the television version of mimi was

3480
02:25:45,190 --> 02:25:42,560
freaking impressive

3481
02:25:46,630 --> 02:25:45,200
as a strong woman man

3482
02:25:48,550 --> 02:25:46,640
she was and

3483
02:25:50,790 --> 02:25:48,560
there was a scene in i think that's

3484
02:25:52,230 --> 02:25:50,800
episode four of season one

3485
02:25:53,910 --> 02:25:52,240
where she's in the hardware store

3486
02:25:56,790 --> 02:25:53,920
getting a bomb shelter

3487
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:56,800
and the clerk is mansplaining to her

3488
02:26:00,230 --> 02:25:58,800
about well when your hubby gets back

3489
02:26:02,230 --> 02:26:00,240
into town haven't come in and i'll

3490
02:26:05,110 --> 02:26:02,240
explain to him what to do

3491
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:05,120
and the lion that she comes back with is

3492
02:26:09,349 --> 02:26:07,359
well hubby's out of town for a long time

3493
02:26:12,389 --> 02:26:09,359
and why he's going to build the shelter

3494
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:12,399
so you'll tell her what to do

3495
02:26:16,230 --> 02:26:14,240
and i got a couple texts from people in

3496
02:26:17,830 --> 02:26:16,240
my family saying that's exactly what

3497
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:17,840
mimi would have said

3498
02:26:22,870 --> 02:26:20,640
and i said yes i know i wrote that line

3499
02:26:24,790 --> 02:26:22,880
because i didn't stop that line

3500
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:24,800
because it did have her

3501
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:26,960
as a more sort of meek

3502
02:26:31,429 --> 02:26:29,520
instantiation and my mother was not me

3503
02:26:33,190 --> 02:26:31,439
because she would not have put up with

3504
02:26:35,270 --> 02:26:33,200
that kind of quote with that kind of uh

3505
02:26:38,389 --> 02:26:35,280
silliness now uh

3506
02:26:40,870 --> 02:26:38,399
what do you um if you had a crystal ball

3507
02:26:42,550 --> 02:26:40,880
it if you were you know a prophet like

3508
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:42,560
jacques valet

3509
02:26:45,349 --> 02:26:43,439
um

3510
02:26:48,710 --> 02:26:45,359
what do you think here we are you know

3511
02:26:50,630 --> 02:26:48,720
it's it's the end of 2021 once again

3512
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:50,640
paul we got to go

3513
02:26:56,469 --> 02:26:55,359
2022 is the year 2022 here it comes

3514
02:26:57,910 --> 02:26:56,479
but

3515
02:27:00,550 --> 02:26:57,920
i would say

3516
02:27:03,990 --> 02:27:00,560
uh more so than any other year in the

3517
02:27:04,870 --> 02:27:04,000
past there's a high likelihood that

3518
02:27:06,870 --> 02:27:04,880
that

3519
02:27:09,670 --> 02:27:06,880
we're going to have the needle move when

3520
02:27:12,950 --> 02:27:09,680
it comes to the ufo question in 2022.

3521
02:27:17,750 --> 02:27:16,309
yeah uh no friggin idea but i'll say

3522
02:27:20,309 --> 02:27:17,760
this

3523
02:27:21,670 --> 02:27:20,319
going back to the ai thread that we keep

3524
02:27:22,630 --> 02:27:21,680
picking up

3525
02:27:25,349 --> 02:27:22,640
is that

3526
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:25,359
my good friend ray kurzweil predicts now

3527
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:27,280
that the singularity happened around

3528
02:27:33,830 --> 02:27:29,359
2035

3529
02:27:35,510 --> 02:27:33,840
um and if that's the case at that point

3530
02:27:39,190 --> 02:27:35,520
we will be

3531
02:27:42,309 --> 02:27:39,200
that meta-terrestrial civilization

3532
02:27:43,510 --> 02:27:42,319
of which we have that kind of

3533
02:27:46,630 --> 02:27:43,520
you know

3534
02:27:48,309 --> 02:27:46,640
in poet dread we will be the danger that

3535
02:27:50,230 --> 02:27:48,319
knocks at the door

3536
02:27:52,550 --> 02:27:50,240
to you know quote walter white from

3537
02:27:55,349 --> 02:27:52,560
breaking bad because that's the point

3538
02:27:58,469 --> 02:27:55,359
where our in artificial intelligence

3539
02:28:01,190 --> 02:27:58,479
will have achieved sentience and be

3540
02:28:02,469 --> 02:28:01,200
recursively self-improving and we will

3541
02:28:04,630 --> 02:28:02,479
convert

3542
02:28:06,870 --> 02:28:04,640
planets and matter into calculation

3543
02:28:09,670 --> 02:28:06,880
engines and we will go anywhere we want

3544
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:12,550
isn't that i i keep saying this uh in

3545
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:15,280
our conversation tonight but isn't that

3546
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:17,680
how it has to be

3547
02:28:22,070 --> 02:28:19,280
you and i are not going to be able to

3548
02:28:24,870 --> 02:28:22,080
survive 10 000 light years right

3549
02:28:29,910 --> 02:28:26,710
it's an impossibility

3550
02:28:31,910 --> 02:28:29,920
so there has got to be the alternative

3551
02:28:34,870 --> 02:28:31,920
and the alternative to that

3552
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:34,880
is consciousness inside of

3553
02:28:41,349 --> 02:28:38,240
uh something mechanical an android

3554
02:28:45,349 --> 02:28:41,359
and piloting a ship to the stars that's

3555
02:28:50,550 --> 02:28:47,349
that's right a are consciousness

3556
02:28:54,150 --> 02:28:50,560
uploaded and then downloaded into a

3557
02:28:55,590 --> 02:28:54,160
more robust substrate

3558
02:28:57,990 --> 02:28:55,600
is ai

3559
02:28:59,510 --> 02:28:58,000
i've got just 60 seconds left uh paul

3560
02:29:00,710 --> 02:28:59,520
and thank you for the conversation

3561
02:29:02,469 --> 02:29:00,720
tonight

3562
02:29:04,950 --> 02:29:02,479
is a.i

3563
02:29:07,429 --> 02:29:04,960
once the singularity i didn't know that

3564
02:29:09,270 --> 02:29:07,439
ray pushed it back another four years

3565
02:29:12,870 --> 02:29:09,280
but um uh

3566
02:29:14,790 --> 02:29:12,880
once singularity is achieved isn't

3567
02:29:18,870 --> 02:29:14,800
consciousness

3568
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:18,880
uh an inevitable progression with a.i uh

3569
02:29:23,910 --> 02:29:21,680
within a matter of minutes

3570
02:29:25,670 --> 02:29:23,920
yeah i think the movie her

3571
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:25,680
sort of portrayed that really well that

3572
02:29:30,550 --> 02:29:27,760
sort of exponential lightning fast

3573
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:30,560
growth absolutely yeah i see it that way

3574
02:29:33,830 --> 02:29:31,280
too

3575
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:33,840
well thank you so much i am going to be

3576
02:29:37,349 --> 02:29:34,880
uh

3577
02:29:39,990 --> 02:29:37,359
breaking bread with you

3578
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:40,000
one month from today my friend i can't

3579
02:29:42,950 --> 02:29:41,520
wait

3580
02:29:44,950 --> 02:29:42,960
that's right it's gonna be an awesome

3581
02:29:48,389 --> 02:29:44,960
show it's gonna be great and i'll see

3582
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:48,399
you in laughlin nevada november 12th

3583
02:29:53,349 --> 02:29:50,399
uh today is october 12th so i'll see you

3584
02:29:54,950 --> 02:29:53,359
there in 30 days until then be safe be

3585
02:29:57,590 --> 02:29:54,960
well and and thank you so much for

3586
02:30:01,110 --> 02:29:57,600
another great conversation paul

3587
02:30:04,710 --> 02:30:01,120
jimmy take care the absolute very best

3588
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:04,720
and and and and jay allen's book

3589
02:30:08,070 --> 02:30:06,960
uh the link for it and the updated

3590
02:30:10,309 --> 02:30:08,080
versions

3591
02:30:12,469 --> 02:30:10,319
are over at jimmychurchready.com and we

3592
02:30:14,790 --> 02:30:12,479
certainly have it up in social media go

3593
02:30:17,510 --> 02:30:14,800
and check it out paul wrote the forward

3594
02:30:19,190 --> 02:30:17,520
and go and pick up your copy now and of

3595
02:30:21,429 --> 02:30:19,200
course come and hang out with us in law

3596
02:30:23,910 --> 02:30:21,439
firm nevada for the star works

3597
02:30:25,670 --> 02:30:23,920
conference ufo's above and beyond all

3598
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:25,680
right i'm going to take a quick break

3599
02:30:29,750 --> 02:30:28,240
paul behave and be well my friend thank

3600
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:29,760
you so much

3601
02:30:32,190 --> 02:30:31,200
our murals jimmy church we'll be right

3602
02:30:53,910 --> 02:30:32,200
back

3603
02:30:56,309 --> 02:30:53,920
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3666
02:34:24,440 --> 02:34:21,600
all right welcome back fade to black i

3667
02:34:28,950 --> 02:34:24,450
am your host jimmy church open lines

3668
02:34:32,469 --> 02:34:30,630
i want to thank paul 747-228-2051 what a

3669
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:32,479
great conversation

3670
02:34:37,990 --> 02:34:34,960
and uh somebody that truly is in the

3671
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:38,000
know i can't imagine uh what what a life

3672
02:34:43,030 --> 02:34:39,200
growing up

3673
02:34:45,349 --> 02:34:43,040
uh with a father like uh uh dr j alan

3674
02:34:46,870 --> 02:34:45,359
heineck running that household oh well

3675
02:34:49,590 --> 02:34:46,880
along with his mom

3676
02:34:51,429 --> 02:34:49,600
um but uh truly in the know and right in

3677
02:34:53,910 --> 02:34:51,439
the center of all of this and to have a

3678
02:34:56,389 --> 02:34:53,920
conversation you know is this the new

3679
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:56,399
blue book is this what is going on right

3680
02:34:59,590 --> 02:34:57,359
now

3681
02:35:05,510 --> 02:34:59,600
and and i want to hear from you

3682
02:35:08,790 --> 02:35:07,670
and i'll tell you why

3683
02:35:10,469 --> 02:35:08,800
um

3684
02:35:19,030 --> 02:35:10,479
the

3685
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:19,040
else

3686
02:35:23,990 --> 02:35:22,880
um going back uh to 1969 and even issues

3687
02:35:26,389 --> 02:35:24,000
before that

3688
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:26,399
uh but uh to uh

3689
02:35:29,990 --> 02:35:29,200
uh very nearly the present day certainly

3690
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:30,000
to

3691
02:35:37,670 --> 02:35:33,680
uh december of 2017 was that uh ufos

3692
02:35:39,349 --> 02:35:37,680
were not of interest to washington dc

3693
02:35:42,389 --> 02:35:39,359
absolutely not

3694
02:35:45,429 --> 02:35:42,399
and as it turns out

3695
02:35:48,710 --> 02:35:45,439
they were investigating and this was

3696
02:35:51,910 --> 02:35:48,720
going on and it never stopped

3697
02:35:53,349 --> 02:35:51,920
and and now the question lies there in

3698
02:35:55,349 --> 02:35:53,359
front of us

3699
02:35:56,550 --> 02:35:55,359
um uh

3700
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:56,560
what were

3701
02:36:01,590 --> 02:35:59,439
the where's the real knowledge sitting

3702
02:36:06,830 --> 02:36:01,600
the real investigations

3703
02:36:08,710 --> 02:36:06,840
we have uh you know lou elizondo and uh

3704
02:36:09,510 --> 02:36:08,720
uh atip

3705
02:36:19,670 --> 02:36:09,520
and

3706
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:19,680
tied there

3707
02:36:24,870 --> 02:36:22,720
and and trying to go out and and

3708
02:36:27,670 --> 02:36:24,880
investigate nobody was

3709
02:36:30,150 --> 02:36:27,680
you know i really doubt that the cia was

3710
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:30,160
uh bringing a tip cases

3711
02:36:35,429 --> 02:36:33,920
right and uh you know the air force and

3712
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:35,439
and so forth

3713
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:36,399
um

3714
02:36:40,150 --> 02:36:37,600
but

3715
02:36:41,590 --> 02:36:40,160
the interest has always been there

3716
02:36:43,990 --> 02:36:41,600
and so

3717
02:36:46,309 --> 02:36:44,000
uh the version of blue book that we knew

3718
02:36:48,870 --> 02:36:46,319
about up until 1969

3719
02:36:51,670 --> 02:36:48,880
and according to jay alan heineck and

3720
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:51,680
what uh paul just relayed to us once

3721
02:36:56,710 --> 02:36:52,880
again here

3722
02:36:59,270 --> 02:36:56,720
was that was a lack of investigations

3723
02:37:02,830 --> 02:36:59,280
right it was set up from the very

3724
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:02,840
beginning to explain away

3725
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:06,000
everything and and i just find that very

3726
02:37:09,510 --> 02:37:08,640
interesting so absolutely

3727
02:37:10,389 --> 02:37:09,520
and

3728
02:37:15,750 --> 02:37:10,399
uh

3729
02:37:18,389 --> 02:37:15,760
running

3730
02:37:21,270 --> 02:37:18,399
at at the pentagon what what what was

3731
02:37:24,469 --> 02:37:21,280
truly happening i think we're just now

3732
02:37:26,950 --> 02:37:24,479
today starting to find out more and more

3733
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:26,960
that not only was the interest there but

3734
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:28,240
the data was collected and there was a

3735
02:37:31,990 --> 02:37:30,240
lot of conversation and there were a lot

3736
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:32,000
of incidents and sightings and things

3737
02:37:35,750 --> 02:37:33,600
that were going on

3738
02:37:37,030 --> 02:37:35,760
um but uh

3739
02:37:39,590 --> 02:37:37,040
where is

3740
02:37:43,990 --> 02:37:39,600
the true knowledge

3741
02:37:46,389 --> 02:37:44,000
right because just like um

3742
02:37:48,389 --> 02:37:46,399
uh the reason why i called this

3743
02:37:51,590 --> 02:37:48,399
show the new blue book

3744
02:37:53,270 --> 02:37:51,600
is that the issues although paul raised

3745
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:53,280
a couple of really good points here

3746
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:54,479
tonight

3747
02:37:59,030 --> 02:37:56,720
but i think that there are some glaring

3748
02:38:02,150 --> 02:37:59,040
similarities between

3749
02:38:03,990 --> 02:38:02,160
the uap task force report

3750
02:38:05,910 --> 02:38:04,000
and uh

3751
02:38:09,590 --> 02:38:05,920
and the

3752
02:38:12,230 --> 02:38:09,600
uh the lack of information that we had

3753
02:38:16,790 --> 02:38:12,240
with uh project blue book

3754
02:38:19,270 --> 02:38:16,800
and and i'll say it again like this um

3755
02:38:24,630 --> 02:38:23,030
the uap task force report clearly stated

3756
02:38:26,950 --> 02:38:24,640
um

3757
02:38:29,030 --> 02:38:26,960
we don't know what's going on

3758
02:38:30,070 --> 02:38:29,040
and the

3759
02:38:32,630 --> 02:38:30,080
uh

3760
02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:32,640
the versions of project blue book

3761
02:38:37,670 --> 02:38:35,840
was a cover-up of the investigations

3762
02:38:41,110 --> 02:38:37,680
where they did know stuff was going on

3763
02:38:43,349 --> 02:38:41,120
but they gave another explanation to it

3764
02:38:44,550 --> 02:38:43,359
um with those investigations and

3765
02:38:47,429 --> 02:38:44,560
throwing

3766
02:38:49,990 --> 02:38:47,439
um everybody off of the trail

3767
02:38:52,870 --> 02:38:50,000
right and that coming from the

3768
02:38:53,670 --> 02:38:52,880
higher-ups uh at the air force

3769
02:38:54,469 --> 02:38:53,680
but

3770
02:38:56,950 --> 02:38:54,479
the

3771
02:38:59,270 --> 02:38:56,960
similarities are

3772
02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:59,280
there was no real information to come

3773
02:39:02,710 --> 02:39:00,240
forward

3774
02:39:03,830 --> 02:39:02,720
there wasn't and that was a similarity

3775
02:39:06,950 --> 02:39:03,840
to me

3776
02:39:09,030 --> 02:39:06,960
uh between the uap task force report

3777
02:39:10,469 --> 02:39:09,040
also atip and

3778
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:10,479
project blue book

3779
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:14,000
uh paul is absolutely right um

3780
02:39:18,150 --> 02:39:16,319
uh the way that the air force approached

3781
02:39:20,710 --> 02:39:18,160
uh project blue book

3782
02:39:23,190 --> 02:39:20,720
was to give mundane explanations to just

3783
02:39:26,710 --> 02:39:23,200
about everything there were 701 cases

3784
02:39:27,590 --> 02:39:26,720
that remained uh completely unexplained

3785
02:39:36,070 --> 02:39:27,600
and

3786
02:39:38,469 --> 02:39:36,080
not only uh were there 701 cases there

3787
02:39:40,550 --> 02:39:38,479
that remain unsolved

3788
02:39:43,270 --> 02:39:40,560
um but

3789
02:39:45,270 --> 02:39:43,280
was there actual knowledge with those

3790
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:45,280
701 cases

3791
02:39:50,389 --> 02:39:47,200
and what went on behind the scenes

3792
02:39:53,190 --> 02:39:50,399
because the uh

3793
02:39:56,550 --> 02:39:53,200
the version of project blue book that we

3794
02:39:59,030 --> 02:39:56,560
knew that was a public relations effort

3795
02:40:01,030 --> 02:39:59,040
uh put forward by the united states air

3796
02:40:02,870 --> 02:40:01,040
force nothing more that's all that that

3797
02:40:05,270 --> 02:40:02,880
was that was a front

3798
02:40:09,030 --> 02:40:05,280
that was a representative

3799
02:40:10,309 --> 02:40:09,040
of the ufo question and that was there

3800
02:40:13,110 --> 02:40:10,319
for the public

3801
02:40:14,630 --> 02:40:13,120
and clearly that's the case and is that

3802
02:40:17,830 --> 02:40:14,640
what we have

3803
02:40:19,750 --> 02:40:17,840
also with the the uap task force and and

3804
02:40:20,469 --> 02:40:19,760
that report and the public version of

3805
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:20,479
that

3806
02:40:26,870 --> 02:40:24,880
of uh

3807
02:40:28,630 --> 02:40:26,880
of of that report

3808
02:40:30,230 --> 02:40:28,640
for for us

3809
02:40:33,110 --> 02:40:30,240
and and to

3810
02:40:35,670 --> 02:40:33,120
just state very clearly that well we

3811
02:40:37,750 --> 02:40:35,680
know it's not us

3812
02:40:39,750 --> 02:40:37,760
uh it's probably we don't have any

3813
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:39,760
indications uh that it's a foreign

3814
02:40:47,269 --> 02:40:42,479
adversary uh russia or china

3815
02:40:49,830 --> 02:40:47,279
and and beyond that we just don't know

3816
02:40:53,190 --> 02:40:49,840
and that that just cannot be true it

3817
02:40:55,590 --> 02:40:53,200
cannot be true but that is uh what was

3818
02:41:01,030 --> 02:40:55,600
given to us so is this

3819
02:41:01,040 --> 02:41:01,750
seven two 747-228-2051

3820
02:41:06,389 --> 02:41:02,630
eight

3821
02:41:09,110 --> 02:41:06,399
two zero five one and

3822
02:41:10,710 --> 02:41:09,120
uh the phone lines are officially open

3823
02:41:12,469 --> 02:41:10,720
now seven four seven

3824
02:41:13,910 --> 02:41:12,479
two two eight two zero five when you can

3825
02:41:17,110 --> 02:41:13,920
see my face

3826
02:41:23,269 --> 02:41:17,120
uh change color as i open up the phone

3827
02:41:26,630 --> 02:41:24,230
um

3828
02:41:28,389 --> 02:41:26,640
continuing the conversation that uh

3829
02:41:30,870 --> 02:41:28,399
we're having tonight

3830
02:41:33,349 --> 02:41:30,880
uh rolling into tomorrow

3831
02:41:34,950 --> 02:41:33,359
uh with isaac arthur

3832
02:41:37,750 --> 02:41:34,960
is uh

3833
02:41:40,469 --> 02:41:37,760
discussing some of the physics uh that

3834
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:40,479
may or may not be behind

3835
02:41:42,710 --> 02:41:41,920
the tic tac

3836
02:41:45,429 --> 02:41:42,720
and

3837
02:41:47,750 --> 02:41:45,439
how do we start to explain this away

3838
02:41:50,389 --> 02:41:47,760
from a scientific perspective

3839
02:41:51,750 --> 02:41:50,399
um this is something that has not been

3840
02:41:54,870 --> 02:41:51,760
talked about

3841
02:41:58,070 --> 02:41:54,880
um very much in public we've had

3842
02:42:00,950 --> 02:41:58,080
uh we've had the pilots and we've had uh

3843
02:42:03,349 --> 02:42:00,960
uh the eyewitness testimony and

3844
02:42:05,190 --> 02:42:03,359
and of course lou elizondo and chris

3845
02:42:06,150 --> 02:42:05,200
mellon and others speaking about that

3846
02:42:07,030 --> 02:42:06,160
but

3847
02:42:10,950 --> 02:42:07,040
uh

3848
02:42:16,710 --> 02:42:10,960
okay that's that's great and we need

3849
02:42:18,950 --> 02:42:16,720
that but the scientific side of this

3850
02:42:19,750 --> 02:42:18,960
how do we approach this

3851
02:42:21,670 --> 02:42:19,760
um

3852
02:42:25,110 --> 02:42:21,680
we don't necessarily even know what the

3853
02:42:27,590 --> 02:42:25,120
phenomena is in other words

3854
02:42:30,550 --> 02:42:27,600
the physics behind if it's

3855
02:42:33,590 --> 02:42:30,560
if it's our technology and we accept

3856
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:33,600
everything out us our technology however

3857
02:42:37,830 --> 02:42:34,800
we got it

3858
02:42:39,590 --> 02:42:37,840
if we we look at it from a scientific

3859
02:42:42,389 --> 02:42:39,600
side there

3860
02:42:46,469 --> 02:42:42,399
now we have to accept

3861
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:46,479
uh the radar kevin day and others

3862
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:50,240
um along with what the pilots reported

3863
02:42:53,110 --> 02:42:52,319
seeing all of them

3864
02:42:55,670 --> 02:42:53,120
and

3865
02:42:57,910 --> 02:42:55,680
the physics of that

3866
02:43:01,910 --> 02:42:57,920
you know to to go from

3867
02:43:04,630 --> 02:43:01,920
you know uh a suborbital uh orbital

3868
02:43:07,750 --> 02:43:04,640
altitude of 80 000 plus feet

3869
02:43:09,990 --> 02:43:07,760
dropping down to 28 000 feet to a

3870
02:43:12,150 --> 02:43:10,000
staging point and then from there

3871
02:43:13,750 --> 02:43:12,160
uh to the surface of the ocean all

3872
02:43:16,950 --> 02:43:13,760
reportedly

3873
02:43:18,710 --> 02:43:16,960
um at insane speeds that we just don't

3874
02:43:22,630 --> 02:43:18,720
have the capability of

3875
02:43:25,269 --> 02:43:22,640
um just the talk of today where the

3876
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:25,279
technology in a public sense

3877
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:27,760
uh that has been revealed to us

3878
02:43:31,510 --> 02:43:30,160
hypersonic missiles russia the united

3879
02:43:33,990 --> 02:43:31,520
states others

3880
02:43:36,950 --> 02:43:34,000
uh with this technology these speeds are

3881
02:43:38,630 --> 02:43:36,960
nothing they're nothing compared to what

3882
02:43:40,070 --> 02:43:38,640
has been reported

3883
02:43:42,710 --> 02:43:40,080
uh

3884
02:43:44,550 --> 02:43:42,720
with the velocities that were reached by

3885
02:43:46,710 --> 02:43:44,560
the tic tac and

3886
02:43:48,830 --> 02:43:46,720
and other uaps

3887
02:43:52,870 --> 02:43:48,840
this is two different levels of

3888
02:43:56,070 --> 02:43:52,880
technology so from a physics perspective

3889
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:56,080
how is this possible and how could these

3890
02:43:59,429 --> 02:43:58,319
things be achieved

3891
02:44:00,630 --> 02:43:59,439
um

3892
02:44:02,550 --> 02:44:00,640
now

3893
02:44:04,150 --> 02:44:02,560
from a physics point of view we're going

3894
02:44:05,510 --> 02:44:04,160
to be talking isaac arthur about this

3895
02:44:07,190 --> 02:44:05,520
tomorrow night

3896
02:44:09,830 --> 02:44:07,200
um

3897
02:44:11,990 --> 02:44:09,840
what if it was you know i'm talking

3898
02:44:15,429 --> 02:44:12,000
about our technology

3899
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:15,439
what is it that could operate that fast

3900
02:44:20,710 --> 02:44:18,160
well

3901
02:44:21,670 --> 02:44:20,720
a projection

3902
02:44:24,070 --> 02:44:21,680
something

3903
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:24,080
fake

3904
02:44:28,389 --> 02:44:27,279
right not maybe not a real physical

3905
02:44:30,150 --> 02:44:28,399
craft

3906
02:44:33,030 --> 02:44:30,160
but could it be something that is

3907
02:44:36,230 --> 02:44:33,040
projected some kind of plasma

3908
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:36,240
projection some kind of 3d hologram that

3909
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:38,240
could literally at the speed of light be

3910
02:44:43,110 --> 02:44:40,560
moved from one place to the other how

3911
02:44:44,630 --> 02:44:43,120
that is picked up by radar don't know

3912
02:44:45,750 --> 02:44:44,640
could plasma

3913
02:44:49,269 --> 02:44:45,760
uh

3914
02:44:53,269 --> 02:44:49,279
be picked up by radar i don't know can

3915
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:53,279
radar bounce off of uh uh a hologram

3916
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:56,800
that is projected light

3917
02:45:01,349 --> 02:44:59,040
uh i you know i don't know i don't have

3918
02:45:02,230 --> 02:45:01,359
the answers uh to these things

3919
02:45:06,389 --> 02:45:02,240
um

3920
02:45:07,429 --> 02:45:06,399
the aywax and uh the other planes that

3921
02:45:09,190 --> 02:45:07,439
were up

3922
02:45:11,750 --> 02:45:09,200
did not pick this stuff up on radar it

3923
02:45:14,389 --> 02:45:11,760
was only done with the spy one systems

3924
02:45:17,990 --> 02:45:14,399
um could that be it i you know i don't

3925
02:45:22,070 --> 02:45:18,000
know but if it's our technology and uh

3926
02:45:22,870 --> 02:45:22,080
something that is uh uh way beyond

3927
02:45:26,070 --> 02:45:22,880
uh

3928
02:45:27,110 --> 02:45:26,080
the speed of a hypersonic missile

3929
02:45:29,190 --> 02:45:27,120
um

3930
02:45:31,830 --> 02:45:29,200
which is in you know the thousands of

3931
02:45:33,110 --> 02:45:31,840
miles per hour it's not even over 10 000

3932
02:45:35,429 --> 02:45:33,120
miles per hour

3933
02:45:37,030 --> 02:45:35,439
um which is still extremely fast but

3934
02:45:39,590 --> 02:45:37,040
it's not

3935
02:45:42,230 --> 02:45:39,600
a hundred thousand miles per hour 50 000

3936
02:45:43,510 --> 02:45:42,240
miles per hour it's not uh those kinds

3937
02:45:46,790 --> 02:45:43,520
of speeds

3938
02:45:48,790 --> 02:45:46,800
so from a physics perspective how would

3939
02:45:50,630 --> 02:45:48,800
this be done

3940
02:45:51,830 --> 02:45:50,640
so um

3941
02:45:55,190 --> 02:45:51,840
we're going to be talking about this

3942
02:45:58,150 --> 02:45:55,200
tomorrow night uh with with isaac arthur

3943
02:46:00,630 --> 02:45:58,160
and now if we take this to the other

3944
02:46:03,510 --> 02:46:00,640
extreme where the uap task force says

3945
02:46:05,510 --> 02:46:03,520
it's not our technology so do we remove

3946
02:46:06,630 --> 02:46:05,520
that from the table

3947
02:46:07,750 --> 02:46:06,640
and

3948
02:46:10,469 --> 02:46:07,760
uh

3949
02:46:12,070 --> 02:46:10,479
if it's not our technology and we are

3950
02:46:13,030 --> 02:46:12,080
now looking at

3951
02:46:15,030 --> 02:46:13,040
um

3952
02:46:16,870 --> 02:46:15,040
something that a foreign adversary may

3953
02:46:19,590 --> 02:46:16,880
have developed

3954
02:46:23,349 --> 02:46:19,600
and just leap frogged uh us in

3955
02:46:26,710 --> 02:46:23,359
technology and moved way past us

3956
02:46:29,670 --> 02:46:26,720
um the russian hypersonic missiles

3957
02:46:30,950 --> 02:46:29,680
and uh the chinese and and their missile

3958
02:46:32,309 --> 02:46:30,960
technology

3959
02:46:34,230 --> 02:46:32,319
don't signal

3960
02:46:35,910 --> 02:46:34,240
anything like this

3961
02:46:37,110 --> 02:46:35,920
i mean it's just two different things

3962
02:46:39,830 --> 02:46:37,120
it's it's

3963
02:46:40,790 --> 02:46:39,840
they're not even close to being similar

3964
02:46:42,630 --> 02:46:40,800
so

3965
02:46:43,590 --> 02:46:42,640
could it be

3966
02:46:48,950 --> 02:46:43,600
um

3967
02:46:52,389 --> 02:46:48,960
uh the reason why i'm going with this

3968
02:46:54,070 --> 02:46:52,399
is about five years ago um you know i'm

3969
02:46:56,309 --> 02:46:54,080
following darpa

3970
02:46:59,030 --> 02:46:56,319
and a couple of uh press releases that

3971
02:47:01,349 --> 02:46:59,040
were going on out there in uh

3972
02:47:02,389 --> 02:47:01,359
in the military community and talking

3973
02:47:04,870 --> 02:47:02,399
about

3974
02:47:06,469 --> 02:47:04,880
uh the projections uh and the

3975
02:47:09,990 --> 02:47:06,479
capabilities

3976
02:47:13,590 --> 02:47:10,000
of uh our air force and being able to

3977
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:13,600
get these uh 3d hologram plasma images

3978
02:47:19,510 --> 02:47:16,399
out there of of planes of tanks and and

3979
02:47:20,790 --> 02:47:19,520
things and projecting this out there and

3980
02:47:24,309 --> 02:47:20,800
getting

3981
02:47:26,710 --> 02:47:24,319
uh somebody completely fooled

3982
02:47:29,510 --> 02:47:26,720
completely fooled about what is what is

3983
02:47:32,389 --> 02:47:29,520
going on and that these would trip their

3984
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:32,399
radar and pilots would see this and

3985
02:47:38,389 --> 02:47:36,080
and uh what what a great way to throw

3986
02:47:39,590 --> 02:47:38,399
everybody off well this this went

3987
02:47:41,429 --> 02:47:39,600
through

3988
02:47:43,349 --> 02:47:41,439
and i started looking at this and i

3989
02:47:45,349 --> 02:47:43,359
started thinking about

3990
02:47:47,510 --> 02:47:45,359
um you know project bluebeam that

3991
02:47:50,550 --> 02:47:47,520
science fiction but science fiction has

3992
02:47:53,190 --> 02:47:50,560
a way of becoming real and the reports

3993
02:47:55,429 --> 02:47:53,200
that were coming back again you know in

3994
02:47:58,389 --> 02:47:55,439
the conspiracy communities about our

3995
02:47:59,910 --> 02:47:58,399
military uh projecting pictures of

3996
02:48:02,790 --> 02:47:59,920
of uh

3997
02:48:05,830 --> 02:48:02,800
of different things in the clouds above

3998
02:48:08,070 --> 02:48:05,840
uh the the soldiers of iraq and and

3999
02:48:10,469 --> 02:48:08,080
causing them to lay down arms

4000
02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:10,479
and and freaking out

4001
02:48:14,230 --> 02:48:13,040
well did that actually happen well i i

4002
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:14,240
don't know

4003
02:48:19,269 --> 02:48:17,920
but could that now take out the image of

4004
02:48:22,630 --> 02:48:19,279
allah

4005
02:48:25,110 --> 02:48:22,640
and throw in a flying saucer

4006
02:48:27,830 --> 02:48:25,120
you know something like that is that

4007
02:48:30,309 --> 02:48:27,840
possible and then you advance that from

4008
02:48:31,110 --> 02:48:30,319
1991

4009
02:48:33,269 --> 02:48:31,120
uh

4010
02:48:36,070 --> 02:48:33,279
all the way into

4011
02:48:41,349 --> 02:48:36,080
uh 1990 1991

4012
02:48:44,630 --> 02:48:41,359
into uh 2017 2015 2004.

4013
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:44,640
um could this be

4014
02:48:48,150 --> 02:48:46,880
a technology that we have that doesn't

4015
02:48:50,630 --> 02:48:48,160
involve

4016
02:48:53,030 --> 02:48:50,640
g-forces and speed and breaking the laws

4017
02:48:54,870 --> 02:48:53,040
of physics as we know that

4018
02:48:58,469 --> 02:48:54,880
uh know them

4019
02:49:00,309 --> 02:48:58,479
and just turn this into a light play

4020
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:00,319
you know something that is projected and

4021
02:49:05,349 --> 02:49:02,880
that answers a lot of questions and it's

4022
02:49:09,030 --> 02:49:05,359
actually very simplistic

4023
02:49:11,269 --> 02:49:09,040
it's not some anti-gravity sphere

4024
02:49:13,030 --> 02:49:11,279
that is being controlled with an

4025
02:49:14,790 --> 02:49:13,040
advanced propulsion system that we

4026
02:49:17,349 --> 02:49:14,800
backwards engineered

4027
02:49:20,230 --> 02:49:17,359
you know from alien craft and

4028
02:49:23,670 --> 02:49:20,240
and we got into newtonian and

4029
02:49:26,389 --> 02:49:23,680
and general and special relativity and

4030
02:49:29,590 --> 02:49:26,399
applied all of that into the it

4031
02:49:31,670 --> 02:49:29,600
it could actually be much more simple

4032
02:49:33,830 --> 02:49:31,680
so that's that's some of the things that

4033
02:49:34,870 --> 02:49:33,840
we're going to be talking uh to isaac

4034
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:34,880
arthur

4035
02:49:38,790 --> 02:49:37,200
about uh tomorrow night and

4036
02:49:41,429 --> 02:49:38,800
if it is et

4037
02:49:42,870 --> 02:49:41,439
what are the physics behind that

4038
02:49:44,710 --> 02:49:42,880
and getting this done this is something

4039
02:49:46,070 --> 02:49:44,720
that isaac covers

4040
02:49:47,030 --> 02:49:46,080
um

4041
02:49:49,910 --> 02:49:47,040
uh

4042
02:49:51,910 --> 02:49:49,920
each week on his youtube channel

4043
02:49:53,750 --> 02:49:51,920
so that'll be tomorrow night let's go to

4044
02:49:56,389 --> 02:49:53,760
the phones hi you're live on fade to

4045
02:49:59,190 --> 02:49:56,399
black who's calling

4046
02:50:00,710 --> 02:49:59,200
hey my name's todd how are you hey todd

4047
02:50:02,070 --> 02:50:00,720
hey todd i'm gonna put you on hold for

4048
02:50:04,309 --> 02:50:02,080
one quick second just stay right there

4049
02:50:06,070 --> 02:50:04,319
don't go anywhere don't go anywhere todd

4050
02:50:08,550 --> 02:50:06,080
stay right there

4051
02:50:14,230 --> 02:50:11,670
oh oh oh sorry about that my phones are

4052
02:50:16,790 --> 02:50:14,240
just lighting up so just stay right

4053
02:50:18,070 --> 02:50:16,800
there todd i am going to be right back

4054
02:50:20,230 --> 02:50:18,080
with you

4055
02:50:23,269 --> 02:50:20,240
okay i am back sorry about that todd the

4056
02:50:25,269 --> 02:50:23,279
phone's just lit up all at the same time

4057
02:50:28,309 --> 02:50:25,279
yeah no worries dude hey i heard you

4058
02:50:30,309 --> 02:50:28,319
talking and i'm glad i called in tonight

4059
02:50:32,870 --> 02:50:30,319
i study cosmology

4060
02:50:35,030 --> 02:50:32,880
and i wanted to kind of just give you

4061
02:50:39,429 --> 02:50:35,040
give maybe your listeners of how

4062
02:50:42,469 --> 02:50:39,439
unlikely it is actually et visiting us

4063
02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:42,479
um if you don't mind no go go love to

4064
02:50:49,990 --> 02:50:47,200
hear it so so it took 3.4 billion years

4065
02:50:51,590 --> 02:50:50,000
for earth to get complex life and i

4066
02:50:54,230 --> 02:50:51,600
don't think a lot of people understand

4067
02:50:56,389 --> 02:50:54,240
unless you study it of how unlikely life

4068
02:50:58,150 --> 02:50:56,399
is like everyone always says

4069
02:50:59,830 --> 02:50:58,160
you know well there's so many plant i

4070
02:51:01,349 --> 02:50:59,840
think there's um two

4071
02:51:05,750 --> 02:51:01,359
two million

4072
02:51:08,469 --> 02:51:05,760
galaxies and about 300 uh a trillion

4073
02:51:09,510 --> 02:51:08,479
planets on about ten to one planets to

4074
02:51:12,469 --> 02:51:09,520
sun

4075
02:51:14,710 --> 02:51:12,479
um for us to have life enough people

4076
02:51:17,269 --> 02:51:14,720
like we we simulated they simulated at

4077
02:51:19,910 --> 02:51:17,279
the cern hadron collider what happened

4078
02:51:21,830 --> 02:51:19,920
was jupiter actually came in because you

4079
02:51:23,670 --> 02:51:21,840
usually have your sun your big

4080
02:51:25,990 --> 02:51:23,680
giant gas planets

4081
02:51:28,550 --> 02:51:26,000
ours is very unique because jupiter came

4082
02:51:30,230 --> 02:51:28,560
in through gravitational interaction

4083
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:30,240
and then actually got pushed back out

4084
02:51:34,790 --> 02:51:32,560
for reasons we don't know clearing the

4085
02:51:37,269 --> 02:51:34,800
way for a rocky planet like earth to be

4086
02:51:39,269 --> 02:51:37,279
there that on itself

4087
02:51:40,230 --> 02:51:39,279
is almost unheard of in all the planets

4088
02:51:42,150 --> 02:51:40,240
we look

4089
02:51:44,790 --> 02:51:42,160
on our telescopes but what jupiter did

4090
02:51:47,429 --> 02:51:44,800
is it allowed us to be stable

4091
02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:47,439
for 3.4 billion years

4092
02:51:50,630 --> 02:51:48,880
which we see is

4093
02:51:53,990 --> 02:51:50,640
quite a tall order

4094
02:51:55,269 --> 02:51:54,000
um to happen once life got started

4095
02:51:57,910 --> 02:51:55,279
you know

4096
02:51:59,670 --> 02:51:57,920
uh bacteria got into an archaea it's

4097
02:52:03,110 --> 02:51:59,680
called this little grub thing like you

4098
02:52:04,389 --> 02:52:03,120
know and geology became biology and then

4099
02:52:07,349 --> 02:52:04,399
it got going

4100
02:52:10,550 --> 02:52:07,359
so it's very rare to get life going

4101
02:52:12,710 --> 02:52:10,560
on just that just for that to happen

4102
02:52:15,910 --> 02:52:12,720
is so very

4103
02:52:18,790 --> 02:52:15,920
very rare and it only took us 70 years

4104
02:52:21,110 --> 02:52:18,800
ago we sent voyager we're sending um

4105
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:21,120
what's the last one curiosity

4106
02:52:26,630 --> 02:52:24,240
we predict in about 500 years that we'll

4107
02:52:27,750 --> 02:52:26,640
have a signature across our milky way

4108
02:52:29,429 --> 02:52:27,760
galaxy

4109
02:52:31,269 --> 02:52:29,439
so the theory is

4110
02:52:33,030 --> 02:52:31,279
is even if aliens and if they're

4111
02:52:35,750 --> 02:52:33,040
reaching here they would be

4112
02:52:38,070 --> 02:52:35,760
more advanced than us where's everybody

4113
02:52:40,790 --> 02:52:38,080
else so what that tells us is the great

4114
02:52:43,349 --> 02:52:40,800
filter is stronger than what we think

4115
02:52:45,750 --> 02:52:43,359
because our cosmos should be littered

4116
02:52:48,150 --> 02:52:45,760
with civilizations and it's not

4117
02:52:50,790 --> 02:52:48,160
so that tells us that

4118
02:52:53,510 --> 02:52:50,800
most likely in our own milky way

4119
02:52:54,870 --> 02:52:53,520
there's odds are nobody else so then we

4120
02:52:57,910 --> 02:52:54,880
get into what about the rest of the

4121
02:53:00,150 --> 02:52:57,920
universe the closest galaxy from us is

4122
02:53:01,990 --> 02:53:00,160
the andromeda galaxy i don't know if you

4123
02:53:04,230 --> 02:53:02,000
can see it with the naked eye from where

4124
02:53:08,070 --> 02:53:04,240
you are but you can from l.a

4125
02:53:08,870 --> 02:53:08,080
and and it's 2.5 million years to get

4126
02:53:10,790 --> 02:53:08,880
there

4127
02:53:12,550 --> 02:53:10,800
at the speed of light

4128
02:53:14,309 --> 02:53:12,560
and that's a big like people really

4129
02:53:15,910 --> 02:53:14,319
that's at the speed of light

4130
02:53:17,269 --> 02:53:15,920
the only thing that can travel at the

4131
02:53:19,030 --> 02:53:17,279
speed of light

4132
02:53:20,389 --> 02:53:19,040
is light a photon

4133
02:53:21,910 --> 02:53:20,399
now everyone's like well what about a

4134
02:53:27,030 --> 02:53:21,920
warp drive

4135
02:53:28,630 --> 02:53:27,040
real it's theoretical unfortunately the

4136
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:28,640
things that needed to make the warp

4137
02:53:33,990 --> 02:53:31,680
drive like antimatter we don't find

4138
02:53:35,830 --> 02:53:34,000
naturally occurring in universe so the

4139
02:53:39,110 --> 02:53:35,840
odds of them

4140
02:53:41,670 --> 02:53:39,120
getting here with a warp drive

4141
02:53:43,190 --> 02:53:41,680
it's just not likely

4142
02:53:44,710 --> 02:53:43,200
it's just it's it's so they're not

4143
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:44,720
coming from our galaxy because we would

4144
02:53:47,429 --> 02:53:45,840
see them

4145
02:53:48,550 --> 02:53:47,439
they're not coming from it's just too

4146
02:53:50,870 --> 02:53:48,560
vast

4147
02:53:51,590 --> 02:53:50,880
the odds of this being e.t i would say

4148
02:53:53,750 --> 02:53:51,600
like

4149
02:53:56,309 --> 02:53:53,760
you don't want to say impossible

4150
02:53:59,269 --> 02:53:56,319
but the physics of it is like it's

4151
02:54:01,110 --> 02:53:59,279
theoretically possible but not likely

4152
02:54:04,550 --> 02:54:01,120
possible if that makes if i made any

4153
02:54:08,150 --> 02:54:04,560
sense to you tonight no i've heard uh um

4154
02:54:09,110 --> 02:54:08,160
everything that you just stated um i've

4155
02:54:10,309 --> 02:54:09,120
read

4156
02:54:11,429 --> 02:54:10,319
studied

4157
02:54:14,389 --> 02:54:11,439
books

4158
02:54:17,269 --> 02:54:14,399
uh repeated conversations with

4159
02:54:21,030 --> 02:54:17,279
physicists and astrophysicists and

4160
02:54:22,389 --> 02:54:21,040
and i've heard all of this there's no

4161
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:22,399
question about it

4162
02:54:26,309 --> 02:54:25,200
but i think that um

4163
02:54:29,670 --> 02:54:26,319
uh

4164
02:54:33,429 --> 02:54:29,680
most of that framing

4165
02:54:35,510 --> 02:54:33,439
of answers to that great filter

4166
02:54:36,630 --> 02:54:35,520
um comes from

4167
02:54:39,269 --> 02:54:36,640
uh

4168
02:54:43,670 --> 02:54:39,279
a limited

4169
02:54:46,150 --> 02:54:43,680
uh view in other words blinders are on

4170
02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:46,160
so if you if you stay with your blinders

4171
02:54:52,230 --> 02:54:50,000
on and you want to go with that

4172
02:54:54,389 --> 02:54:52,240
then that's your bubble you're not going

4173
02:54:57,190 --> 02:54:54,399
to get outside of that bubble

4174
02:55:00,469 --> 02:54:57,200
i look at it completely different

4175
02:55:03,510 --> 02:55:00,479
and it's so easy for me to answer each

4176
02:55:05,910 --> 02:55:03,520
one of your points with a with a counter

4177
02:55:07,190 --> 02:55:05,920
argument that would be just as

4178
02:55:10,469 --> 02:55:07,200
successful

4179
02:55:12,950 --> 02:55:10,479
as as yours and and i'll i'll say a

4180
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:12,960
couple of blanket statements todd

4181
02:55:17,590 --> 02:55:15,359
one is this

4182
02:55:20,550 --> 02:55:17,600
our frequency

4183
02:55:22,950 --> 02:55:20,560
us the way that you see light the way

4184
02:55:24,630 --> 02:55:22,960
that you hear things

4185
02:55:26,790 --> 02:55:24,640
our existence

4186
02:55:28,469 --> 02:55:26,800
is where we are

4187
02:55:30,790 --> 02:55:28,479
but there could be

4188
02:55:33,030 --> 02:55:30,800
there has to be if there is uh another

4189
02:55:36,070 --> 02:55:33,040
life form out there they could be

4190
02:55:36,870 --> 02:55:36,080
operating at a different time scale than

4191
02:55:37,750 --> 02:55:36,880
us

4192
02:55:39,870 --> 02:55:37,760
we

4193
02:55:43,910 --> 02:55:39,880
orbit our sun

4194
02:55:47,590 --> 02:55:43,920
365 days for a year we have a 24 24-hour

4195
02:55:50,389 --> 02:55:47,600
cycle for the day here and that is our

4196
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:50,399
year and that's what our our thing that

4197
02:55:56,070 --> 02:55:54,080
is our time that's what we operate in

4198
02:56:00,150 --> 02:55:56,080
but another civilization out there could

4199
02:56:02,630 --> 02:56:00,160
be operating a few frequency degrees off

4200
02:56:03,830 --> 02:56:02,640
to the right or to the left and we

4201
02:56:05,990 --> 02:56:03,840
simply

4202
02:56:08,389 --> 02:56:06,000
don't see them

4203
02:56:10,710 --> 02:56:08,399
they're they're radio frequencies they

4204
02:56:13,590 --> 02:56:10,720
could be sending stuff to us

4205
02:56:16,710 --> 02:56:13,600
um that we just don't understand we

4206
02:56:20,230 --> 02:56:16,720
don't it is in a different time scale

4207
02:56:21,190 --> 02:56:20,240
it is gibberish it is noise to us just

4208
02:56:21,990 --> 02:56:21,200
like

4209
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:22,000
uh

4210
02:56:27,429 --> 02:56:24,560
evidence of traveling between

4211
02:56:31,670 --> 02:56:27,439
star systems and we're looking for those

4212
02:56:34,550 --> 02:56:31,680
telltale signs that we create here

4213
02:56:35,750 --> 02:56:34,560
so we wouldn't have any anything

4214
02:56:36,469 --> 02:56:35,760
visually

4215
02:56:42,309 --> 02:56:36,479
to

4216
02:56:44,150 --> 02:56:42,319
it simply would be not in our frequency

4217
02:56:45,910 --> 02:56:44,160
range that's number one

4218
02:56:48,790 --> 02:56:45,920
number two

4219
02:56:50,230 --> 02:56:48,800
any advanced civilization out there

4220
02:56:51,190 --> 02:56:50,240
that is

4221
02:56:54,309 --> 02:56:51,200
uh

4222
02:56:57,030 --> 02:56:54,319
significantly developed in front of us

4223
02:56:59,910 --> 02:56:57,040
and it could only it could be 10 000

4224
02:57:02,230 --> 02:56:59,920
years it could be a billion years

4225
02:57:04,150 --> 02:57:02,240
but anybody that would be advanced

4226
02:57:08,070 --> 02:57:04,160
beyond us

4227
02:57:10,550 --> 02:57:08,080
obviously is is thinking and operating

4228
02:57:13,110 --> 02:57:10,560
at a technical scale that we don't even

4229
02:57:15,670 --> 02:57:13,120
comprehend we do we can't even fantasize

4230
02:57:16,710 --> 02:57:15,680
about it can't even fantasize about it

4231
02:57:19,750 --> 02:57:16,720
and so

4232
02:57:23,110 --> 02:57:19,760
uh the speed of light that we talk about

4233
02:57:25,349 --> 02:57:23,120
here that's the physics of us

4234
02:57:27,750 --> 02:57:25,359
right that's the physics of us how we

4235
02:57:30,150 --> 02:57:27,760
understand things the way that they

4236
02:57:31,429 --> 02:57:30,160
approach it they may not even deal with

4237
02:57:34,790 --> 02:57:31,439
math

4238
02:57:36,790 --> 02:57:34,800
right

4239
02:57:37,990 --> 02:57:36,800
it's basically but but let me finish let

4240
02:57:40,870 --> 02:57:38,000
me finish

4241
02:57:44,710 --> 02:57:40,880
so for them to travel

4242
02:57:46,389 --> 02:57:44,720
to earth or between galaxies let alone

4243
02:57:48,309 --> 02:57:46,399
star systems

4244
02:57:51,349 --> 02:57:48,319
is easy

4245
02:57:53,030 --> 02:57:51,359
it's easy for them we are thinking it is

4246
02:57:56,309 --> 02:57:53,040
complex

4247
02:57:58,790 --> 02:57:56,319
and albuquerque and and and warp drives

4248
02:58:02,469 --> 02:57:58,800
and bending space and eliminating space

4249
02:58:05,030 --> 02:58:02,479
and the the the power of a galaxy would

4250
02:58:07,349 --> 02:58:05,040
be needed to do these things and and

4251
02:58:10,469 --> 02:58:07,359
we're not there yet that's that's a

4252
02:58:14,230 --> 02:58:10,479
complex way of looking at it their way

4253
02:58:17,190 --> 02:58:14,240
of getting it done would be fundamental

4254
02:58:19,750 --> 02:58:17,200
it would be elementary just like you

4255
02:58:22,710 --> 02:58:19,760
getting in your car to go and get a

4256
02:58:25,750 --> 02:58:22,720
six-pack of coke at 7-eleven you do that

4257
02:58:27,190 --> 02:58:25,760
because it's easy but to a caveman to

4258
02:58:29,110 --> 02:58:27,200
neanderthal

4259
02:58:31,429 --> 02:58:29,120
that's magic

4260
02:58:35,030 --> 02:58:31,439
that is way he would never uh

4261
02:58:39,110 --> 02:58:35,040
neanderthal would not have the concept

4262
02:58:41,429 --> 02:58:39,120
of ordering from amazon on the internet

4263
02:58:44,469 --> 02:58:41,439
to get your groceries delivered

4264
02:58:47,110 --> 02:58:44,479
he's out there chasing down buffalo and

4265
02:58:48,950 --> 02:58:47,120
hitting it with a rock

4266
02:58:50,710 --> 02:58:48,960
okay and so

4267
02:58:53,510 --> 02:58:50,720
and that's that's my take that's my

4268
02:58:55,910 --> 02:58:53,520
answer to all of that we are trying to

4269
02:58:58,389 --> 02:58:55,920
with our neanderthal brains

4270
02:59:02,070 --> 02:58:58,399
uh try to figure out why we can't find

4271
02:59:05,590 --> 02:59:02,080
life out there and it's just

4272
02:59:07,429 --> 02:59:05,600
it's can i add one thing sure

4273
02:59:08,710 --> 02:59:07,439
what i will say about that and you make

4274
02:59:10,710 --> 02:59:08,720
all sense and again this is just a

4275
02:59:13,030 --> 02:59:10,720
friendly pushback i you know sure i'm

4276
02:59:15,110 --> 02:59:13,040
not saying anything's impossible but

4277
02:59:17,110 --> 02:59:15,120
when we look at our telescope

4278
02:59:18,950 --> 02:59:17,120
we're pretty good from about

4279
02:59:22,950 --> 02:59:18,960
a billionth of a second after the big

4280
02:59:26,389 --> 02:59:22,960
bang how we measure the 13.8 billion

4281
02:59:29,110 --> 02:59:26,399
of years of the observable universe is

4282
02:59:31,830 --> 02:59:29,120
with with light and what we see when we

4283
02:59:34,070 --> 02:59:31,840
turn our telescopes to other planets and

4284
02:59:36,950 --> 02:59:34,080
to to measure that we literally use it

4285
02:59:39,510 --> 02:59:36,960
as a measuring stick um of light

4286
02:59:42,309 --> 02:59:39,520
physics we're pretty sure physics works

4287
02:59:44,389 --> 02:59:42,319
the same way throughout the universe

4288
02:59:46,389 --> 02:59:44,399
they won't be using a different a

4289
02:59:48,150 --> 02:59:46,399
different way of physics

4290
02:59:49,030 --> 02:59:48,160
physics would be the same

4291
02:59:51,190 --> 02:59:49,040
um

4292
02:59:52,710 --> 02:59:51,200
pretty much everywhere there's nothing

4293
02:59:53,910 --> 02:59:52,720
when we look at other planets we see

4294
02:59:55,910 --> 02:59:53,920
hydrogen

4295
02:59:57,510 --> 02:59:55,920
you know we see all the same gases we

4296
03:00:00,150 --> 02:59:57,520
can tell by the hue with our telescope

4297
03:00:03,269 --> 03:00:00,160
100 so they they would be using a

4298
03:00:05,030 --> 03:00:03,279
different now i will say the only my uh

4299
03:00:07,269 --> 03:00:05,040
my professor has an interesting theory

4300
03:00:09,269 --> 03:00:07,279
about that kind of goes with you i don't

4301
03:00:11,990 --> 03:00:09,279
agree with them but he's smarter than me

4302
03:00:12,710 --> 03:00:12,000
is he thinks that if a civilization is

4303
03:00:14,550 --> 03:00:12,720
so

4304
03:00:17,269 --> 03:00:14,560
advanced compared to us they would

4305
03:00:19,750 --> 03:00:17,279
become a nano silver civilization

4306
03:00:21,830 --> 03:00:19,760
because it's more efficient

4307
03:00:25,269 --> 03:00:21,840
and see that kind of thinking out of the

4308
03:00:26,469 --> 03:00:25,279
box i appreciate it and and it's trying

4309
03:00:29,990 --> 03:00:26,479
to

4310
03:00:32,150 --> 03:00:30,000
uh uh push beyond what we know and what

4311
03:00:34,950 --> 03:00:32,160
we understand and we always have to

4312
03:00:38,230 --> 03:00:34,960
approach science that way we can't we

4313
03:00:41,990 --> 03:00:38,240
can't stay confined inside of our box

4314
03:00:44,230 --> 03:00:42,000
but i'll take this a step further though

4315
03:00:46,950 --> 03:00:44,240
all right when you had stated earlier

4316
03:00:48,950 --> 03:00:46,960
this is another gentle pushback i say

4317
03:00:49,910 --> 03:00:48,960
this with great respect

4318
03:00:53,750 --> 03:00:49,920
but

4319
03:00:55,269 --> 03:00:53,760
um you can't say that life is rare in

4320
03:00:58,469 --> 03:00:55,279
the universe

4321
03:01:00,550 --> 03:00:58,479
when those same gases those same

4322
03:01:02,950 --> 03:01:00,560
fundamental sugars

4323
03:01:06,389 --> 03:01:02,960
those same elements

4324
03:01:09,510 --> 03:01:06,399
are the same everywhere and what we know

4325
03:01:10,630 --> 03:01:09,520
is we can't stop life on earth we've

4326
03:01:14,309 --> 03:01:10,640
tried

4327
03:01:16,469 --> 03:01:14,319
many times

4328
03:01:19,429 --> 03:01:16,479
life always wins

4329
03:01:22,950 --> 03:01:19,439
that same magic is going on with

4330
03:01:24,230 --> 03:01:22,960
hydrogen carbon oxygen helium

4331
03:01:26,790 --> 03:01:24,240
gold

4332
03:01:29,269 --> 03:01:26,800
everything else throughout the universe

4333
03:01:30,710 --> 03:01:29,279
that same magic is happening and let's

4334
03:01:34,710 --> 03:01:30,720
not forget

4335
03:01:37,750 --> 03:01:34,720
that meteors that meteorites that

4336
03:01:41,030 --> 03:01:37,760
land here on earth have been found

4337
03:01:42,790 --> 03:01:41,040
with rna and the fundamental sugars that

4338
03:01:44,469 --> 03:01:42,800
make up dna

4339
03:01:48,550 --> 03:01:44,479
therefore

4340
03:01:49,830 --> 03:01:48,560
that stuff is flying all over the

4341
03:01:51,429 --> 03:01:49,840
universe

4342
03:01:52,389 --> 03:01:51,439
and is depositing

4343
03:01:54,309 --> 03:01:52,399
um

4344
03:01:56,309 --> 03:01:54,319
did you hear the apollo mission they

4345
03:01:57,990 --> 03:01:56,319
brought a rock from the unearthed

4346
03:02:00,309 --> 03:01:58,000
rock from the moon back to earth which

4347
03:02:01,670 --> 03:02:00,319
means you're right panspermia happens

4348
03:02:04,230 --> 03:02:01,680
where

4349
03:02:06,870 --> 03:02:04,240
planets because of asteroid impacts we

4350
03:02:09,269 --> 03:02:06,880
spray stuff we we have mars stuff on the

4351
03:02:12,389 --> 03:02:09,279
moon here you're absolutely right on

4352
03:02:14,710 --> 03:02:12,399
that yep i think life that the life can

4353
03:02:16,550 --> 03:02:14,720
start anywhere i think the conditions

4354
03:02:19,670 --> 03:02:16,560
for life like having a planet that can

4355
03:02:20,630 --> 03:02:19,680
last 3.4 billion years without getting

4356
03:02:23,349 --> 03:02:20,640
hit

4357
03:02:24,950 --> 03:02:23,359
is very i think it's a tall task and i

4358
03:02:27,110 --> 03:02:24,960
know if you've heard of brian cox he's

4359
03:02:28,870 --> 03:02:27,120
right i love brian cox i've listened to

4360
03:02:30,469 --> 03:02:28,880
everything and read all those books this

4361
03:02:33,190 --> 03:02:30,479
is the thing so smart

4362
03:02:36,150 --> 03:02:33,200
this is the thing okay

4363
03:02:38,790 --> 03:02:36,160
it's a numbers game todd i'm gonna run

4364
03:02:41,670 --> 03:02:38,800
out of time i ran out of time about a a

4365
03:02:44,710 --> 03:02:41,680
a minute ago but i'm gonna stay with you

4366
03:02:47,990 --> 03:02:44,720
and it's this it's a numbers game so

4367
03:02:48,870 --> 03:02:48,000
what we know now is this that our milky

4368
03:02:52,309 --> 03:02:48,880
way

4369
03:02:55,269 --> 03:02:52,319
has somewhere between 500 billion

4370
03:02:57,910 --> 03:02:55,279
and 1 trillion stars we don't know the

4371
03:03:01,510 --> 03:02:57,920
exact count we're still mapping out our

4372
03:03:04,870 --> 03:03:01,520
milky way right now and each one of

4373
03:03:07,429 --> 03:03:04,880
those stars every single one has at

4374
03:03:10,950 --> 03:03:07,439
least one planet

4375
03:03:12,790 --> 03:03:10,960
and then you go beyond that and what we

4376
03:03:14,070 --> 03:03:12,800
know now

4377
03:03:17,750 --> 03:03:14,080
is there are

4378
03:03:20,150 --> 03:03:17,760
at least one trillion galaxies in the

4379
03:03:22,469 --> 03:03:20,160
universe which is expanding at faster

4380
03:03:25,030 --> 03:03:22,479
than the speed of light anyway so what

4381
03:03:27,750 --> 03:03:25,040
is dropping off of the horizon out there

4382
03:03:31,349 --> 03:03:27,760
will never know how many galaxies

4383
03:03:33,429 --> 03:03:31,359
uh were here that are now gone but out

4384
03:03:36,070 --> 03:03:33,439
of those one trillion galaxies and each

4385
03:03:38,950 --> 03:03:36,080
one of those having 500 billion stars in

4386
03:03:41,750 --> 03:03:38,960
it and each one of those having uh

4387
03:03:46,630 --> 03:03:41,760
another 500 billion planets

4388
03:03:49,349 --> 03:03:46,640
the odds are of you and i you todd

4389
03:03:51,990 --> 03:03:49,359
being replicated and duplicated and

4390
03:03:54,870 --> 03:03:52,000
speaking on another planet right now to

4391
03:03:57,110 --> 03:03:54,880
a late night radio talk show host

4392
03:04:00,790 --> 03:03:57,120
is a guarantee

4393
03:04:02,630 --> 03:04:00,800
there is another one of you out there

4394
03:04:04,790 --> 03:04:02,640
it's a numbers game

4395
03:04:07,269 --> 03:04:04,800
and that's that's it that's my counter

4396
03:04:08,950 --> 03:04:07,279
argument and there you go todd listen

4397
03:04:11,190 --> 03:04:08,960
i've i've got to get out of here i'm now

4398
03:04:14,070 --> 03:04:11,200
off of the network uh but this one i

4399
03:04:16,389 --> 03:04:14,080
love you buddy this will uh stay alive

4400
03:04:18,389 --> 03:04:16,399
forever on our archives thank you so

4401
03:04:20,230 --> 03:04:18,399
much todd have a great night we'll see

4402
03:04:22,389 --> 03:04:20,240
you tomorrow night isaac arthur is here

4403
03:04:24,469 --> 03:04:22,399
you're not going to want to miss that

4404
03:04:26,790 --> 03:04:24,479
beautiful thank you todd great phone

4405
03:04:29,750 --> 03:04:26,800
call and that's that's what i love right

4406
03:04:31,349 --> 03:04:29,760
there are phone calls like that

4407
03:04:33,110 --> 03:04:31,359
what a great night tonight thank you

4408
03:04:35,110 --> 03:04:33,120
todd

4409
03:04:37,910 --> 03:04:35,120
want to thank paul heineck for coming in

4410
03:04:39,590 --> 03:04:37,920
another brilliant great conversation

4411
03:04:41,190 --> 03:04:39,600
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4414
03:04:46,550 --> 03:04:45,200
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4415
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4416
03:04:50,389 --> 03:04:48,479
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4417
03:04:51,750 --> 03:04:50,399
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4418
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4419
03:04:57,269 --> 03:04:55,760
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4420
03:04:59,429 --> 03:04:57,279
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4422
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4423
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03:05:05,269 --> 03:05:03,840
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03:05:07,269 --> 03:05:05,279
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4426
03:05:08,309 --> 03:05:07,279
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4427
03:05:11,269 --> 03:05:08,319
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4428
03:05:12,309 --> 03:05:11,279
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4429
03:05:16,160 --> 03:05:12,319
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4430
03:05:25,560 --> 03:05:16,170
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4431
03:05:28,180 --> 03:05:25,570
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4432
03:05:43,190 --> 03:05:28,190
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4433
03:05:43,200 --> 03:05:47,270
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